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John Titor :: IRC Discussion Log

Posted on 23 October 2012 by olav

These logs, sent to the anomalies network from an unnamed source proport to show a late night conversation between the Time Traveler John and several other individuals on IRC.

We hope you enjoy these, and thanks for the information (you know who you are!).

14 October 2000

8TimeTravel_0 has joined the conversation.
Yareisa : even now I still change my opinions, there is no definitive
G° : well, I'm not completely on the same wavelength as you and apollo,
but 
I like it here.
Yareisa : hi time
G° : I will be back
G° : hi time T
Yareisa : good, we like you
TimeTravel_0 : greetings
G° : thanks
Yareisa : yw
Yareisa : you've been initiated G!
G° : sorry I can't stop to chat Time, but it's way past my bed time
G° : I have?
TimeTravel_0 : no problem
Yareisa : oh yes...I'll make sure you have plenty of experience!
Yareisa : lol
G° : thanks... I think. LOL ~)
Yareisa : well I have been awake for 24 hours!
G° : oh what the heck. maybe I will stop and introduce myself to time....
Yareisa : good! new I could persuade you!
Yareisa : knew
G° : LOL
TimeTravel_0 : please...and then myself.
G° : Hi TT, my name is steve, but call me G
G° : I'm 30, male from England
G° : and you?
TimeTravel_0 : My name is John.  Im 38 and a time traveler from Florida.
G° : Oh, and my PC could crash at any time, so I'll say goodnight now in 
case it goes again
Yareisa : alright, goodnight G
G° : which time are you from?
TimeTravel_0 : Goodnight.
TimeTravel_0 : 2036
G° :   g'night
G° : is it a good year?
TimeTravel_0 : For me...yes.
G° : it's not far to come?
TimeTravel_0 : Thats right.
Yareisa : do you want me to do my intro piece?
G° : so you have been born as well. That could be confusing. no problem
with 
there being two of you at the same time then?
G° : yes please Y
TimeTravel_0 : Not at all.  In fact the "me" on this world line is
upstairs 
alseep.
TimeTravel_0 : Hes 2
Yareisa : ty I'm Yareisa, you can call me yar, most do 39   Lincoln, UK
G° : upstairs? in your house?
G° : yar, ok.
Yareisa : or ok yar!
G° : lol. I was  thinking that...  lol
TimeTravel_0 : Not my house.  Im just visiting.
G° : tonight? or longer term than that?
TimeTravel_0 : I've been here for about 3 months.
G° : any reason? if you don't mind me asking... I'm interested is all...
TimeTravel_0 : I'll answer any question you have.  I don;t expect you to 
believe me anyway.
TimeTravel_0 : Theres a picture of my time machine on my profile.
G° : LOL  good. I'd really think you were mad if you did...
TimeTravel_0 : Your reaction is typical.
TimeTravel_0 : Im used to it.
G° : someone invented a time machine by 2036?
TimeTravel_0 : What would you do if you really met a time travlere anyway?
G° : what I'm doing now
Yareisa : what would you do if you met an alien?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...in fact the major breakthrough happens at CERN in
about 
a year.
G° : cern? whats that?
TimeTravel_0 : The creation of microsigularities.
Yareisa : particle accelerator?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!
TimeTravel_0 : You know of it?
Yareisa : yes a little
TimeTravel_0 : Most people here in the US have no idea what Im talking 
about.
Yareisa : they go round until they hit each other don't they
G° : lol
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.  High speed proton acceleration.
G° : that about sums an incredibly complex bit of kit in one
sentence... but 
yes
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be happy to go into detail but most people regret it.
Yareisa : go on, we'll scream when we can't handle anymore!
G° : whats the discovery? a new particle or something?
TimeTravel_0 : The information has been out for quite a while.
TimeTravel_0 : CERN is planning to start some very high energy experiments 
soon.
TimeTravel_0 : There has been some contoversy ...
TimeTravel_0 : over the damgers of it.
G° : is antimatter involved?
TimeTravel_0 : SOme are concerned it might be quite hazardous.
TimeTravel_0 : No...
Yareisa : wasn't there something about creating a black hole
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
TimeTravel_0 : You've heard of it.
Yareisa : yes
TimeTravel_0 : Actually...
Yareisa : a little
G° : me too
TimeTravel_0 : its a black hole about the size of an electron.
TimeTravel_0 : Im impressed.
TimeTravel_0 : Where are you both from?
TimeTravel_0 : England?
G° : England
Yareisa : yes
G° : but different bits
Yareisa : certainly different bits!
G° : but next door according to US geography
TimeTravel_0 : Being from 2036...Im not as ignorant as my colonial 
countrymen.
G° : so are you staying with your parents then, whilst your here?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
G° : oh come on, it's not going to change that much in 30 odd years.. LOL
TimeTravel_0 : Really.
G° : sorry, Brit joke
G° : how did they take it? or have you not told them? Your parents?
TimeTravel_0 : I have to admit... your both quite polite.
TimeTravel_0 : Oh they know.
G° : hey, the sign on the door says show respect and keep an open mind 
doesn't it?
Yareisa : I'm polite because I understand what its like to be ridiculed
TimeTravel_0 : Im here because of a promise to my grandfather in 1975.
Yareisa : true G
G° : I've lived 53 lives on earth before this one. think everyone beleives 
me when i say that?
TimeTravel_0 : I appreciate that but I also know Im more entertaining than 
anything else.
TimeTravel_0 : I don't discount anything.
G° : LOL
G° : the truly mad wouldn't realise they were ... excentric?
TimeTravel_0 : You are more right than you know.
G° : the faxct that you don't expect to be believed has to be a plus
point..
G° : sorry go on. your grandfather?
TimeTravel_0 : I find it quite intersting.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : I started in 2036, went back to 1975 and then came forward
to 
2000...now.
TimeTravel_0 : Did you see the picture of my machine?
Yareisa : it wasn't there when I looked
TimeTravel_0 : If you click on the picture...it takes you to another page.  
I have 3 pictures posted.
Yareisa : k just doing
G° : yeah. is it in a cool car?
TimeTravel_0 : A good car for 1975.
TimeTravel_0 : The distortion machine is in a 4 wheel drive now.
G° : how come from then? was it kept in good condition til 2036?
TimeTravel_0 : Sorry...time machine.
TimeTravel_0 : I was sent back to 1975 to get a computer.
TimeTravel_0 : Its an IBM model 5110.
TimeTravel_0 : My grandfather worked on it.
G° : because...?
TimeTravel_0 : Thats why I was sent.
TimeTravel_0 : We need it in 2036 to recode UNIX which dies in 2038.
G° : who needed a 5110? and why?
G° : lost me there. don't enough about computers
TimeTravel_0 : the 5110 is able to read the old IBM mainframe code.
TimeTravel_0 : Its the first protable computer produced by IBM.
TimeTravel_0 : Actually its about the size of a small table.
TimeTravel_0 : We need on in 2036.
G° : so have you tried changing the past yet? or have you found that 
everything you do..
G° : has already been done?
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm...physics.
TimeTravel_0 : Actually... world lines are not fixed.
TimeTravel_0 : They are all different.
TimeTravel_0 : There is no one "time".
G° : but you have a past... you remember things, and if one changes...?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...
TimeTravel_0 : but they are different.
TimeTravel_0 : The fact that I am here changes this world line.
G° : so you havn't tried mucking with anything?
TimeTravel_0 : No...but I could.
TimeTravel_0 : Its just not that moral in my opinion.
TimeTravel_0 : Besides...Im not here for that.
G° : thing is, you might not have changed anything because you already
were 
here
TimeTravel_0 : Thats right!!!
TimeTravel_0 : Very good.
TimeTravel_0 : In fact..I've noticed samll changes.
G° : I mean you upstairs asleep wouldn't have known if you now was 
downstairs
G° : you have? thats what i was getting it
TimeTravel_0 : No...he knows me.
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...small changes.
G° : care to give an example?
TimeTravel_0 : Sure...
TimeTravel_0 : Football....(sorry) games that were lost that should have 
been won.
TimeTravel_0 : Incidental news stories that havent happened.
TimeTravel_0 : Books not written.
TimeTravel_0 : Small stuff like that.
G° : wow. surely that can't be anything to do with you?
TimeTravel_0 : No.
TimeTravel_0 : By definition, this world line is not the same as mine.
G° : so how come do you think?
TimeTravel_0 : Physics.
TimeTravel_0 : Have you ever been in a room that has mirrors on all the 
walls?
G° : you with the infinate worlds with infinate possibilities theory then?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
TimeTravel_0 : Multipole world theory is correct.
G° : like sliders
TimeTravel_0 : Sliders?
G° : tv show
G° : before your time... LOL
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm...havent seent hat one.
G° : hmmm. I must admit, that theory has always bothered me
TimeTravel_0 : Have you heard of Schrodinger's cat?
G° : I mean, why bother? why create all these slightly different
worlds? no 
offence to you, just never liked it.
Yareisa : yes
G° : yes, talking about it the other day
TimeTravel_0 : Well...there's a little joke in 2036.
G° : can't remember though
TimeTravel_0 : If the cat had a distortion machine (time) he may not be in 
the box at all.
G° : oh yeah, that was it... LOL
G° : ( i was wondering if you were still ther Yar)
Yareisa : yes, deep in though
Yareisa : thought
G° : sorry, I have to call you Yareisa, I don't like yar....
Yareisa : ok!
G° : so. what can we do for you tonight TT? How come your here?
TimeTravel_0 : I enjoy the "paranormal" chat rooms for 2 reasons.
TimeTravel_0 : 1. I find the people here are more open to ideas.
TimeTravel_0 : 2. I find it ironic that when what they are looking for
falls 
in their lap, they can't believe it.
G° : sorry you've been doing all the talking....
8wyrmkin_37 has joined the conversation.
TimeTravel_0 : Its okay,
wyrmkin_37 : hello to room
TimeTravel_0 : I learn a lot from you too.
G° : hi wyrm
Yareisa : hi wyrm
wyrmkin_37 : hey
G° : so who owns the machine TT?
G° : who do you work for?
TimeTravel_0 : The military.
TimeTravel_0 : Im a soldier.
TimeTravel_0 : But civilan time travle is not far off.
G° : do they know your in the year 2000 chatting to us when you should be 
returning with the 5110?
TimeTravel_0 : Good question!!!
G° : LOL How would they know?
G° : unless your machine records jumps?
TimeTravel_0 : No...but i will return just seconds after I left from their 
point of view.
TimeTravel_0 : I will only age a bit more than expected.
wyrmkin_37 : what matter of singularities?
G° : Imust say, your a very friendly, chatty soldier...
Yareisa : temporal phase shift
Yareisa : oops, thinking aloud again
wyrmkin_37 : anti-matter or dimensional?
TimeTravel_0 : Well...I only fought in the civil war.  The military put me 
through school and I was qualified for this mission.
TimeTravel_0 : The singularities distort gravity.
TimeTravel_0 : Ill be happy to go through the physics.  The basics are 
already known.
wyrmkin_37 : please........proceed
Yareisa : please do
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
TimeTravel_0 : In 1967, a physist named Tipler came up with the basic 
equations for time travel based on massive rotating cylinders...ever heard 
of him?
wyrmkin_37 : in omni?
G° : no, sorry
TimeTravel_0 : no problem...
TimeTravel_0 : are you familiar with black holes and Stephen Halking?
TimeTravel_0 : Sorry...spelling
Yareisa : to some degree, yes
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
wyrmkin_37 : .......a brief history of time
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : Black holes distort gravity...which distorts time.
wyrmkin_37 : theory
TimeTravel_0 : At there center is a singularity.
G° : yeah, with you so far
TimeTravel_0 : No...it is proved.
TimeTravel_0 : In 1969, science invented a clock sensitive enough to show 
the time difference in a multiple sotry building.
wyrmkin_37 : kewl
TimeTravel_0 : On the first floor...time runs slower due to gravity.
TimeTravel_0 : Clser to the center of the Earth.
wyrmkin_37 : get outa here
G° : also the 2 clocks, one in a plane that flew off and came back
different 
to the other one
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
G° : ok
wyrmkin_37 : gravitation
TimeTravel_0 : The effect is magnified greatly in a black hole.
TimeTravel_0 : As it turns out...
TimeTravel_0 : If you encounter a black hole that is spinning and has an 
electrified field, you will not be killed passing through its massive 
gravitational fiuelds.
TimeTravel_0 : regreting asking yet>
Yareisa : no
TimeTravel_0 : Ok
wyrmkin_37 : no
Yareisa : I'm hooked
TimeTravel_0 : In about a year...
G° : is this the omeg point theory?
G° : omega?
TimeTravel_0 : CERN will discover some very odd things as a result of
their 
high energy experiments.
TimeTravel_0 : in about a year.
TimeTravel_0 : from your point of view.
wyrmkin_37 : cern?
TimeTravel_0 : in Geneva.
Yareisa : particle accelerator
wyrmkin_37 : oh
TimeTravel_0 : They will accidently create microsingularities.
G° : makes things go round and hit each other...
TimeTravel_0 : Which will evaporate very quickly.
wyrmkin_37 : one in texas?
TimeTravel_0 : and create a massive ammount of X-ray and Gamma rays.
TimeTravel_0 : It will puzzle them for a while.
TimeTravel_0 : Until they figure out how to add and elcrtical charge and 
capture these strange odd and massive particles in a magnetic field.
wyrmkin_37 : they shoot electrons at the speed of light.......see what
they 
bust up into
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
G° : still with you...
wyrmkin_37 : quarks
TimeTravel_0 : If you bombard a singularity with electrons...
TimeTravel_0 : you can alter the size of its event horizon.
TimeTravel_0 : and thus its gravitational field.
TimeTravel_0 : By overlapping these fileds from two singularities...
TimeTravel_0 : you can travel forward and backward through time.
TimeTravel_0 : Its actuallyu quyite simple.
wyrmkin_37 : i follow now
TimeTravel_0 : Thats noit the hard part.
G° : didn't tipler say there was no event horizon?
TimeTravel_0 : No..he said it was possible to approach a massive 
gravitationl field from certain angles and not get squished.
G° : oh, sorry
wyrmkin_37 : lol
TimeTravel_0 : Actually...Im not really a physisit.
G° : but you know all about this stuff... is that why you were picked?
TimeTravel_0 : I specialize in 20th century history and my grandfather 
builds computers.
wyrmkin_37 : what base?
TimeTravel_0 : Hmmm....you drive a car and know how to change the oil
don;t 
you?
TimeTravel_0 : I am based in Tampa Fl.
G° : actually, only just.. LOL
wyrmkin_37 : chas, afb
TimeTravel_0 : McDill
wyrmkin_37 : kewl
G° : sorry?
G° : in english?
wyrmkin_37 : zoomies
Yareisa : thats english?!
G° : you airforce wyrm?
wyrmkin_37 : yes
G° : your not working on a time machine are you?
G° : come here for guidance...
wyrmkin_37 : no just came in for chat
TimeTravel_0 : Altering gravity is not the hard part.
G° : LOL
Yareisa : go on...
TimeTravel_0 : Detecting gravity is the hard part.
TimeTravel_0 : I will tell you a littlke story.
TimeTravel_0 : When time travel was invented.
TimeTravel_0 : They built prototypes that would go back in time for a
split 
second and then return.
TimeTravel_0 : They had sensors and cameras on them.
TimeTravel_0 : ...and they never returned.
G° : and forwards as well? how about a single jump forwards?
TimeTravel_0 : It was later discovered that the machines were ending up 
about 15 miles away and 3000 fett in the air.
TimeTravel_0 : feet
G° : doh!
TimeTravel_0 : The Earth was rotating away from them.
wyrmkin_37 : synchroniaztion please
TimeTravel_0 : A system had to be invented that would "hold" the machine
to 
the Earth.
TimeTravel_0 : Its called VGL.
TimeTravel_0 : Its based on very sensative clocks and gravity sensors.
TimeTravel_0 : It stops the time distortion machine if radical changes in 
gravity are detected.
wyrmkin_37 : mechanical or electronic clocks
TimeTravel_0 : You wouldn't want to end up inside a mountain or under 
water...would you?
TimeTravel_0 : Cesium.
wyrmkin_37 : oh
G° : isn't all this classified? surely your suppoed to keep it secret
whilst 
in the past?
TimeTravel_0 : LOL!!!
TimeTravel_0 : I know you think Im nuts...come on.
TimeTravel_0 : Who would believe me?
G° : just asking?
TimeTravel_0 : It my best defense.
wyrmkin_37 : isnt celsium a higher class of quartz? dont know
G° : but we don't have long to find out if you are or not
TimeTravel_0 : Besides...do you know how big a hole 2 sigularites make
when 
their magnetic filed colpases?
G° : won't be long before CERN (?) make the discovery
TimeTravel_0 : Thats right.
G° : no
TimeTravel_0 : Welll....either do I.  But I don;t want to know.
G° : LOL
wyrmkin_37 : i read omni since it came out and i do want to know
G° : maybe I'll pass on the theory to someone who does their own
experiment 
and... BANG!
wyrmkin_37 : lol
TimeTravel_0 : I've been trying.
G° : any joy?
TimeTravel_0 : But Im the crazy yank
wyrmkin_37 : lmao
G° : What do you expect? you didn't tell them you from the future did you?
TimeTravel_0 : You might be interested in this...
G° : if you really wanted to, you should have just passed on the theory
G° : go on....
TimeTravel_0 : Its very hard to convince someone you travel in time unless 
you're related to them.
G° : or know something that will happen...
TimeTravel_0 : Good point...but you'de be surprised.
G° : not that I'm asking you to tell me something, cos I don't want you to
TimeTravel_0 : They usually think its your fault.
G° : LOL
G° : bummer...
wyrmkin_37 : very interesting
TimeTravel_0 : That's why I love these chat rooms.
wyrmkin_37 : me too
TimeTravel_0 : I know that nothing I say will make a bit of difference.
wyrmkin_37 : i can drink my jack and coke and learn a few things
G° : not true.. this is the place where you can make a difference.
TimeTravel_0 : Im not feeling sorry for myself.
TimeTravel_0 : Im actually learning to like the people here.
TimeTravel_0 : You have a very bad reputaion in 2036.
wyrmkin_37 : TT........who me?
TimeTravel_0 : lol...in general.
wyrmkin_37 : heard that
G° : how about those 80's lot though. they must be worse...
TimeTravel_0 : Don't get me started.
G° : LOL
TimeTravel_0 : At least your commercials and video games have gotten
beeter 
through the years.
G° : and as for the 70's! Sheesh!
wyrmkin_37 : 60's were cool
TimeTravel_0 : Generaly... this period is thought of as the time when they 
had it all and squanderd it.
TimeTravel_0 : You diserve your fate.
wyrmkin_37 : but fun was had
TimeTravel_0 : That's true.
TimeTravel_0 : Can I ask you brits a question?
G° : sure
Yareisa : yeah sure
G° : shoot
TimeTravel_0 : When I was a kid...back in 2012...
G° : a good year for cyberpunk...
TimeTravel_0 : I used to watch a DVD called UFO that was made in England.
TimeTravel_0 : Ever heard of it?
G° : oops no, that was 2030, sorry
G° : the tv series? 70's?
wyrmkin_37 : i saw it on regular tv
TimeTravel_0 : Yes!!!
TimeTravel_0 : You've seen it?
Yareisa : oh yes I remember that one
TimeTravel_0 : Wow...we do have something in common.
G° : yeah, dreadful outfits!
TimeTravel_0 : No one has heard of it here.
Yareisa : straker wasn't it
G° : and hairstyles!
TimeTravel_0 : I loved that show!
G° : so TT, there is something you can tell me
TimeTravel_0 : Yes?
G° : what happens in December 2012?
wyrmkin_37 : i saw it the good guys were called shadow?
G° : anything?
TimeTravel_0 : Ahhh..the acient miayn prohecies.
G° : the very same
TimeTravel_0 :  wyrmkin_37 : mayans TimeTravel_0 : sorry wyrmkin_37 : ? TimeTravel_0 : Nothing happens...but there is a nuclear war in 2015. G° : bugger TimeTravel_0 : Its not that bad. TimeTravel_0 : The bombs are much cleaner. G° : i guess not wyrmkin_37 : china and russia? TimeTravel_0 : There's a civial war in the US. wyrmkin_37 : whoa? TimeTravel_0 : Russian launches against China, Europe and the US. G° : it was bound to happen sooner or later... TimeTravel_0 : Can;t you see it coming? G° : whatamistaka to maka! TimeTravel_0 : Does anyone read history anymore? wyrmkin_37 : i saw russia and china but not usa TimeTravel_0 : From my point of view...Russia helps us. We win. G° : how so? TimeTravel_0 : But Im a little pissed right now. Is that still the right word? wyrmkin_37 : wheat, money........lets make friends G° : ? TimeTravel_0 : The civil war in the US has two sides. TimeTravel_0 : I fought on one side. G° : they usualy do wyrmkin_37 : proceed sir................ TimeTravel_0 : The other side got nuked by Russia. G° : i see G° : not north and south again was it? TimeTravel_0 : In 2036, they are our largets trading partner. TimeTravel_0 : No...more like city angainst country.' wyrmkin_37 : majorities against minorities....... TimeTravel_0 : Yes. TimeTravel_0 : You know...guns versus no guns. TimeTravel_0 : Power versus no power. wyrmkin_37 : time to pour another jack and coke TimeTravel_0 : Un troops versus no UN troops. G° : well, it's been interesting talking to you John, but it's way past my bedtime... Yareisa : what...I've been up 24 hours! TimeTravel_0 : Sleep well. TimeTravel_0 : Youve been very polite. G° : look me up when you get back to 2036 will you? TimeTravel_0 : I will try. G° : if i'm still here TimeTravel_0 : Go north. TimeTravel_0 : Invest in hydrogen fuel cells G° : goodnight Yareisa Yareisa : goodnight G Yareisa : thanks for staying up so early! G° : thanks again TT, goodnight G° : LOL TimeTravel_0 : good night G° : see you again soon Yareisa : yup TimeTravel_0 : Ill be here TimeTravel_0 : Think up some good questions G° puts on his coat and trudges out... Yareisa : bye G 8G° has left the conversation. Yareisa : I've given up going to bed now, might as well keep going! TimeTravel_0 : Time is relative. TimeTravel_0 : But sleep.... Yareisa : forgotten what sleep is! TimeTravel_0 : What do you do for a living? Yareisa : by day...web site design TimeTravel_0 : Is your family close to you? Yareisa : no TimeTravel_0 : That's the one thing I will never understand about this time. Yareisa : whats that TimeTravel_0 : Don;t you feel alone without them? Yareisa : not really, I'm used to being alone TimeTravel_0 : Its very diffrent in the future. TimeTravel_0 : I can't imagine being without my family. TimeTravel_0 : I don;t know if I should pity or admire you. Yareisa : I'm not sure either! 8wyrmkin_37 has returned. Yareisa : wb wyrmkin_37 : hello folks TimeTravel_0 : greetings Yareisa : I am known as a Warrior, I'm used to fighting to survive wyrmkin_37 : been there TimeTravel_0 : In the future, life is organized around the family. wyrmkin_37 : good TimeTravel_0 : and the community. Yareisa : then it looks like I have a problem! TimeTravel_0 : 'I can;t imagine what it's like to live alone. Yareisa : I rather like it actually TimeTravel_0 : If I may ask...why? Yareisa : I can do what I choose, when I choose without having to answer to anyone TimeTravel_0 : What about it appeals to you? wyrmkin_37 : later folks 8wyrmkin_37 has left the conversation. TimeTravel_0 : good night Yareisa : Sometimes I miss not having company Yareisa : but I'm very independant TimeTravel_0 : Your answer is typical of the people of your time. TimeTravel_0 : Do you feel you would be hindered by "answerinfg? to someone? TimeTravel_0 : What does that mean? Yareisa : I was hindered, that is why I evicted my husband TimeTravel_0 : Please explain. Yareisa : I am a deeply spiritual person, I needed to grow, to expand, and he stopped me TimeTravel_0 : How...if its not too personal. Yareisa : he was a control freak, I had to do what he told me to do etc TimeTravel_0 : I think you would like the future. Yareisa : why is that TimeTravel_0 : Its a common complainyt that people feel hindered. TimeTravel_0 : In the future, life is more challenging. Yareisa : is it more spiritual? TimeTravel_0 : There is little room for petty problems. TimeTravel_0 : Yes! TimeTravel_0 : Mystery returns to existance. Yareisa : beyond the human TimeTravel_0 : There are fewer luxuries but life is more enjoyable. Yareisa : I never like luxuries anyway Yareisa : I live basically Yareisa : do you consider yourself human TimeTravel_0 : I wish I could show you the time machine and give you hope. TimeTravel_0 : Yes. TimeTravel_0 : I am very different from you. Yareisa : in what way TimeTravel_0 : My life is very different. TimeTravel_0 : I harbor a ccertain ammount of anger toward this time. Yareisa : why TimeTravel_0 : I see an entire population of people who are sleeping. TimeTravel_0 : I fell in love once and she passed away. TimeTravel_0 : I blame you for her death. Yareisa : why TimeTravel_0 : She died of brain cancer. TimeTravel_0 : You may find this interesting. TimeTravel_0 : WHen I was training for "time travel"... TimeTravel_0 : ...a great deal of what we did was pyscholgical training. TimeTravel_0 : In one of our exercises...we had to go back in time and convince "ourselves" to do something we regretted not doing in our own life. TimeTravel_0 : I told myself to get married before she died. TimeTravel_0 : SOmething I was unable to do. TimeTravel_0 : I hate you for that. Yareisa : hate me personally? TimeTravel_0 : Sorry.... I don;t hate you. TimeTravel_0 : I mean this time. TimeTravel_0 : Jacksonville Fl took a direct hit. TimeTravel_0 : The radiation killed her. Yareisa : I cannot say sorry for something that hasn't happened yet, but I am sorry TimeTravel_0 : I talk too much Yareisa : and I don't talk enough TimeTravel_0 : I just wish things didn;t have to happen athey way they will. Yareisa : we cannot change it? TimeTravel_0 : Its too late. Yareisa : I sensed that TimeTravel_0 : I regret what you could have been bot what will result. TimeTravel_0 : not TimeTravel_0 : ...are you drinking? Yareisa : no TimeTravel_0 : I am... orange wine. TimeTravel_0 : I love it. Yareisa : I think my ethereal has taken over, my body has no need for anything more TimeTravel_0 : Are you alone? Yareisa : yes TimeTravel_0 : No children? Yareisa : none TimeTravel_0 : Are you afraid? Yareisa : what of TimeTravel_0 : Being alone? Yareisa : no TimeTravel_0 : I don;t mean to be so perosnal. TimeTravel_0 : I aplogoze. Yareisa : its alright, I'm used to it TimeTravel_0 : To being alone? Yareisa : to being asked personal questions as well! TimeTravel_0 : I appreciate your kindness. Yareisa : ty, but that is my nature TimeTravel_0 : I am familiar with Blue Oyster Cult. Yareisa : oh, you've read my profile?! TimeTravel_0 : I just took a look. TimeTravel_0 : In fact...my father is a big fan. Yareisa : the link to my web site is on there too Yareisa : one of my favourite tracks is, Veterans of the Psychic Wars TimeTravel_0 : Thats quite a webb ste...hold on. Yareisa : k TimeTravel_0 : Im asking my father. TimeTravel_0 : He says thats from "Heavy Metal"? Yareisa : I've got it on a compilation, Workshop of the Telescopes TimeTravel_0 : "Cultosaurus Erectus" is his favorite. TimeTravel_0 : I have no idea what he's taling about. Yareisa : probably best not to, might cause a glitch in the space time contimuum! TimeTravel_0 : Godzillia? Yareisa : yes thats a good one TimeTravel_0 : Hes lauging. TimeTravel_0 : You wacky 20th century freaks. Yareisa : Don't Fear The Reaper is good too, a classic Yareisa : so do I presume the aliens don't come in 2012 then? TimeTravel_0 : Noty that Im aware of. TimeTravel_0 : However...there are plenty of things that will get your attention by 2012. Yareisa : such as...can you say? TimeTravel_0 : My father has a question. Yareisa : go on TimeTravel_0 : What do you think of "club Ninja"? I have no idea what that is. Yareisa : I haven't heard that one Yareisa : I've got Dancing in the ruins on the compilation TimeTravel_0 : He says it was one of their last CDs. Yareisa : yes, then there is Imaginos Yareisa : I've just started to collect them again, used to have some albums, getting CD's now TimeTravel_0 : Revolutoin by night? What's that. Yareisa : another album TimeTravel_0 : I see. TimeTravel_0 : Perhaps you should talk to my father. Yareisa : I could get confused! Yareisa : Actually, I will have to go soon, its nearly 6 in the morning here... Yareisa : I got up at 5 in the morning on Friday TimeTravel_0 : I hope to talk to yoiu again. Yareisa : I would like that TimeTravel_0 : Cheer up. TimeTravel_0 : Things get better. TimeTravel_0 : Get some sleep. Yareisa : I will! TimeTravel_0 : Good night. Yareisa : good night 8TimeTravel_0 has left the conversation

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Paranet Information Release – Area 51

Posted on 23 October 2012 by olav

Message #2505 “PN: UFO”
Date: 11-Nov-89 03:25
From: Michael Corbin
To: All
Subj: For Immediate Release
Next Reply is Message #2506

November 10, 1989

ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO)–This evening saw
perhaps an unprecedented event in UFOlogy. KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
Nevada has been airing a UFO special during the evening news
which began on Monday dealing with the UFO mystery and cover-up.
The series, which has been covered by ParaNet, began its coverage
with a history of UFOs beginning in the late 1940s and moving
forward through the numerous sighting reports to the cattle
mutilations, which was aired last evening. As promised at the
close of last evening’s show, George Knapp, a news anchorman for
Channel 8 in Vegas, stated that a scientific person would be
featured on tonight’s program who has claimed to work at Area 51,
the government’s super-secret test range at Nellis AFB in Nevada.
Indeed, quite a story was told by Robert Lazar, a physicist who
claimed that he had worked on a project at Area 51 involving
flying disks provided by alien intelligences.
Over the last year, ParaNet has carried stories relating to
possible involvement with the government in projects of this
nature at the Nevada test site. Up to now, the stories have been
of a very speculative nature. Although the material presented by
Robert Lazar remains unconfirmed, enough information has been
disclosed that ParaNet’s large investigative staff in Nevada has
started an intensive investigation into this release. It is
interesting to note that Robert Lazar is an associate of John
Lear and has been providing this information to Lear over the
last few months. Lear has appeared on Channel 8 on numerous
occasions together will Bill Cooper discussing Lear’s famous ‘ET
Hypothesis.’ According to Lear, Lazar was instrumental in
providing Lear with locations overlooking the test site which
would provide a good view of the objects as they flew into the
night sky. Lear attempted to shoot video of an object as it
maneuvered through the night sky during last summer, however
nothing was captured on the tape of a substantive nature. Lear
also relates that his group was harassed by a Lincoln County
sheriff following his attempts to take the pictures.
Below is a transcript of the program that aired this
evening. All paragraphs out of quotes are the narrator of the
segment. We were as accurate as possible on the transcription,
however there are a couple of places where comments were edited
out due to inability to understand what was being said.
Further reports will be provided as information becomes
available.
=================================================================

We’ve been working on the story for some time….UFO
researchers claim that there is a secret government within our
government. Now this may be hard to believe coming from the UFO
perspective, but we have learned that Watergate and the Iran
Contra scandal that factions within our government can and do
pursue their own hidden agendas outside of the law; outside the
control of the Congress or the knowledge of the American people.
This is exactly the type of operation that we hear about tonight.
It’s a chilling scenario with worldwide implications that may
have its roots right here [Las Vegas, Nevada].
Area 51, that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site, is
no longer considered a secret. The fact that secretive things
go on here isn’t evident; even to the Soviets who make daily spy
flights over the facility to take a peek at what’s going on.
These photos, never before shown in public, are about as close as
anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like again.
The dry bed at Groom Lake, the corrugated buildings, a three-mile
long runway and some highly sophisticated radar and detection
equipment. Its been known by many names over the years –
Dreamland; The Ranch; The Skunk Works. If ever there was a place
to test the secret new technology, this is it. And that’s
exactly what has been done here for decades.
Area 51 is where Francis Gary Powers and the other U-2
pilots were trained in the 50s. And, where the U-2 itself was
developed. The SR-71 spy plane that spotted Soviet missiles in
Cuba in the early 60s were also developed at 51. 51 is where
Stealth technology was nurtured, where Star Wars devices are
still tested, and where all manner of CIA [unknown] business has
been plotted and refined. It’s the perfect place for secret
things, but of course, that’s no secret. 51 is ringed by the
forbidden vastness of the Nevada test site; by the looming Groom
Mountain and by sparsely populated desert expanses. But the
people that do live out here have no love lost for the military,
but they’re conservative, patriotic and they mind their own
business.

Interviewer questioning a nearby resident of Area 51: “Ever see
something that you can’t explain?”
Resident: “Sure, lots of times.”
Interviewer: “Care to elaborate?”
Resident: “No.” (Laughter).

On any given night at the Rachel Bar and Grill, you might
find three or four people who work at Area 51. They are among
the flowing Budweiser and the cowboy hats. You might find them,
but they are not going to talk to you. Not about the things that
they have seen over the mountain. A steady trickle of curiosity-
seekers flows through here; strangers, drawn by strange stories
of lights in the night sky. Their questions also go unanswered.
No one who has worked at Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged
what so many people have suspected for years: That alien
technology is being tested in the Nevada desert.
The speculation first surfaced in documents obtained by UFO
researchers. Documents about something called Project Aquarius.
The document allegedly prepared for an organization called MJ-12,
states that a program to fly recovered alien spacecraft was
established in 1972 and is continuing in Nevada. The National
Security Agency has confirmed it does have a Project Aquarius but
denies that it has anything to do with flying saucers. NSA will
not say what Project Aquarius is.
Speculation was heightened in 1984, when the Air Force
seized nearly 90,000 acres around Groom Lake. The action was, by
most accounts, illegal. During Congressional hearings about the
land grab, Congressman John Siberling grilled the military about
the legal authority used in the action and was told the authority
was at a much, much higher level than the Air Force.
Siberling asked what authority is higher than the laws of the
United States? The Air Force official said he could respond, but
only in a closed briefing. In 1987, when the Air Force sought to
renew its stranglehold on the Groom range, news articles once
again mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft and subsequent
articles in national magazines quoted un-named sources about
things of alien origin flying in Nevada. Things that would make
film-maker George Lucas drool. Despite the speculation, no one
who knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about the
saucer story.

Bob Lazar: “Well, there’s several uh, actually nine uh flying
saucers, flying disks that are out there of extraterrestrial
origin.” The live interview with the shadowy “Dennis” drew
international attention. Portions were broadcast by radio in six
European countries, and in a nationally televised TV special in
Japan.
Despite numerous inquiries and “feelers,” “Dennis” has
remained anonymous until now. His real name is Robert Lazar. A
young scientist with eclectic interests. The choice of “Dennis”
was an inside joke — he says that’s the name of his superior at
Groom Lake. It wasn’t a joke to Dennis.

Lazar: “He called right after and said, ‘Do you have any idea
what we’re going to do to you now?’ and I said no, and he hung up
the phone.”

Lazar’s story is by any standard, fantastic. He says he’s
telling it in order to protect himself. He said he was hired to
work in area called S-4 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.
At S-4, he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter reactors and
other working examples of technology that is seemingly beyond
human capabilities.

Lazar: “Right. This stuff came from somewhere else. I know it
is hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it. I know what
the current state-of-the-art is in physics and it it can’t be
done.”

Checking out Lazar’s credentials proved to be a difficult
task. He says he holds degrees in physics and electronics, but
the schools that we contacted say they’ve never heard of him. He
says he also worked as a physicist at Los Alamos National
Labs where he worked with one of the world’s largest particle
beam accelerators, a half-mile long ‘behemoth’ capable of
generating seven-hundred million volts. Los Alamos officials
told us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working there.
They were either mistaken or were lying. A 1982 phone book from
the Lab lists Lazar right there among the other scientists and
technicians. A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos newspaper
profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars. It, too, mentioned
his employment at the Lab as a physicist. We called Los Alamos
again, and an exasperated official told us he still had no
records on Lazar. EG&G, which is where Lazar says he was
interviewed for the job at S-4, also has no record. It’s as if
someone has made him disappear.

Lazar: “Well, they’re trying to make me look non-existent to the
places that I called….”
Interviewer: “Explain. Called where?”
Lazar: “Well, the schools that I went to; the hospital that I
was born at; past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it.”

He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must
sound ridiculous. According to Lazar, his employer was the
United States Navy. He says he and other government employees
would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom Lake, then a very few people
would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive to
S-4.

Interviewer: “You get off the bus, what do you see?”
Lazar: “A very interesting building. Its got a slope of
probably about 30 degrees which are hangar doors, and it has
textured paint on it, but it looks like sand. It’s made to look
like the side of the mountain that it is in, whether it’s to
disguise it from satellite photographs or what….”

He says he was never told exactly what he would be working
on, but figured it had something to do with advanced propulsion.
On his first day he was told to read a series of briefings, and
immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was.

Lazar: “The power source is an anti-matter reactor. They run
gravity amplifiers. There is actually two parts to the drive
mechanism. It’s a bizarre technology. There is no physical
hookups between any of the systems in there. They use gravity as
a wave using wave guides that look like microwaves.”

It took awhile, Lazar says, before he actually saw one of
the flying disks, however there were hints everywhere.

Lazar: “Right. They had a poster, and it looked like a
commercial poster, like it was lithographed, like you could buy
it at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all over the place and
it had the disk that I coined the term ‘the floor model’ which
lifted off the ground about 3 feet out at the area, in the Dry
Lakes area, and the caption on it said ‘They’re here.’ These
posters were all over the place.”

Later, he got to see the real thing.

Lazar: “When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw the
‘floor model’ in the hangar sitting down, and I was told they
could have walked me in the front door but they purposely wanted
to walk me by it. I was told not to say anything and to keep my
eyes forward and walk past the disk to the office area. And I
did. And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands on it,
just to run it alongside the thing and uh ….After that I got to
see actually lift off the ground and operate.”
Interviewer: “You actually got to see more than one?”
Lazar: “Yeah. The hangars are all connected together. There
are large bay doors between each one. There were nine total that
I saw, each one being different. Like they had the assortment
pack.”

Security at S-4 was oppressive Lazar said, and his superiors
used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool.

Lazar: “They did everything but physically hurt me.”
Interviewer: “They put a gun to your head?”
Lazar: “Yeah.”
Interviewer: “You mean they actually put a gun to your head?”
Lazar: “They did that even in the original security briefing.
Guards there with M-16s. Guys there slamming their fingers into
my chest, screaming into my ear, they were pointing weapons at
me. Like I said, it’s not a good place to work.”

That fear factor would surface later. Lazar agreed to
undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report. Polygrapher Ron
Clay asked about the technology that Lazar had seen.

Polygrapher: “Did you knowingly lie when you had actually seen
anti-gravity propulsion in operation?”
Lazar: “No.”

The results of this exam were inconclusive. Lazar appeared
to be truthful on one test; deceitful on a second. Clay
recommended that a second examiner be brought in. Polygrapher
Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate security operation and is
a former Los Angeles police officer. He put Lazar through four
tests and concluded there were no attempts to deceive.
Tabernetti sent his test results to a third polygrapher who
agreed the results appeared truthful. The charts were then sent
to a fourth examiner who did not agree suggesting that Lazar
might be relating information he’d learned from someone else.
The polygraphers concurred and decided they would not issue a
final statement on truthfulness until more specific testing can
be conducted. And that’s where it stands.
Tabernetti believes the difficulty in determining Lazar’s
truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him.

Lazar: “Well, I am telling the truth. I’ve tried to prove that.
What’s going on up there could be the most important event in
history. You’re talking about contact, physical contact and
proof from another planet, another system, another intelligence.
Thats got to be the biggest event in history, period. And, it’s
real and it’s there. And I had an extremely small part in it.
I’m convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that. There
is no way that we could have created those disks. There is no
way we could have made the disks, the power supplies, anything
that goes with it.”

Lazar says he has no intention of going on any UFO lecture
circuit. He is not looking to do any additional interviews. In
fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one. He did it after
certain unfavorable things started happening in his life, and he
did it because he feels that whoever is running the show up at S-
4 is perpetrating a fraud on the American people and the
scientific community.

=================================================================

Message #3969 “PN: UFO”
Date: 12-Nov-89 01:48
From: Michael Corbin
To: All
Subj: Correction to the Area 51 transcript

SUBJECT: ADDENDUM/CORRECTIONS RE 11/10/89 KLAS-TV/NEVADA TEST
SITE/AREA 51 UFO REPORT

My introduction to the partial transcript of the program contains
certain presumptions — rather than evidence — which may be misleading.
These presumptions were based on prior SEPARATE KLAS-TV telecasts with Lear
and with a “Dennis” — now revealed as Robert Lazar.

> It is interesting to note that Robert Lazar is an associate of
> John Lear and has been providing this information to Lear over
> the last few months.

The extent to which Lazar has interfaced with Lear is unknown. In fact,
Lear appears to have had a number of Nevada Test Site sources, any one of
whom could have provided him with the Area 51 information.

> According to Lear, Lazar was instrumental in providing Lear
> with locations overlooking the test site which would provide
> a good view of the objects as they flew into the night sky.

In fact, it is unknown who — if anyone — steered Lear to the specific
locations overlooking the Nevada Test Site. Lear has made no statement
regarding Lazar in this regard.

> As promised at the close of last evening’s show, George Knapp,
> a news anchorman for Channel 8 in Vegas, stated that a
> scientific person would be featured on tonight’s program
> who has claimed to work at Area 51, the government’s
> super-secret test range at Nellis AFB in Nevada.

Rather than being situated at Nellis Air Force Base in Las Vegas, Area 51
lies in the northeast corner of the U.S. Government’s Nevada Test Site at
Mercury, Nevada, which is 65 miles north of Nellis Air Force Base.

Mike

Message #4002 “PN: UFO”
Date: 14-Nov-89 03:22
From: Robert Klinn
To: All
Subj: Area 51: The Nevada Test Site’s Supersecret UFO Base?
Next Reply is Message #4023

With two top local TV stations here in Las Vegas — KLAS-TV and KTNV-TV –
carrying deadly serious news reports this week of real alien UFOs POSSIBLY
being flown out of the supersecret Area 51, that portion of the U.S.
Government’s Nevada Test Site which the Air Force refuses to acknowledge as
even existing, the situation here appears like The War of the Worlds.
Disinformation? Reality?
What next?
At KTNV-TV, photographer Clay Downey and reporter Glen Meek are tracking
down the nature of the on-going projects at Area 51. Off-air, Meek says he
has discovered that Area 51 is comprised of four sections. Of those, he has
learned the type of activity occurring at two of them. He has been having
much difficulty learning the type of activity occurring at the other two.
KTNV will broadcast reports this week at 5:30 p.m. Wed., Thurs, & Fri.
In a videotape presented by KLAS-TV newsman George Knapp, a UFO performs
abrupt manuevers over what may be the “S-4″ portion of Area 51 at the Test
Site. Knapp’s final report will be broadcast tonight, Tuesday at
approximately 6:15 p.m.
Knapp’s star witness is scientist Robert Lazar, who drew a picture of the
craft he saw operating at the base.
Lazar emphatically claims these are alien craft — not human-made devices.
Lazar says at least one UFO appeared to have been ruptured by a projectile.
War of the Worlds?
Robert B. Klinn
— QuickBBS v2.04
* Origin: -=<ParaNet Alpha(sm)>=- Denver, CO (303)232-6115 (1:104/422)

Message #4024 “PN: UFO”
Date: 15-Nov-89 01:55
From: Michael Corbin
To: All
Subj: Installment on Dreamland continued.

November 13, 1989

ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO) — In our
continuing coverage of the remarkable revelations coming out of
Las Vegas, Nevada, here is the next installment to the program
aired on November 13, 1989 by television station KLAS-TV and
George Knapp.

=================================================================
News Anchor persons:
A former government scientist has alleged that the U.S.
military is flying recovered UFOs at a secret base in the Nevada
desert. The allegations about the secret facility near the Groom
Mountains first surfaced on Eyewitness News on last Friday
[November 10, 1989].
Scientist Bob Lazar says that there are at least nine of the
flying saucers being tested and that they were not built on
Earth. George Knapp has more on the continuation of our series
on UFOs.

Lazar: “Yeah. It was obvious it came from somewhere else, uh,
other than Earth.”

Scientist Bob Lazar was convinced that the technology he saw
being tested at a secret base in the Nevada desert is of alien
origin, and for Lazar the proof is, at least, partially in the
furniture. One of the nine flying disks he says he saw at the
base, which was designated S-4, looks exactly like this UFO
photographed in Europe [Photo of UFO shown]. Lazar called it
the “sport model.”

Lazar: “I gave everything names — the top hat one and you know
the jello mold and, uh, the sport model operated without any
hitches at all. I mean, it looked new. If I knew what a new
flying saucer looked like. One of them looked like it was hit
with some sort of a projectile. It had a large hole in the
bottom and a large hole in the top with the metal bent out like
some sort of, you know, large caliber 4 or 5 inch had gone
through it.”

Even before he saw the sport model operate, Lazar says, he
suspected that the ship came from somewhere else. The
realization slapped him in the face the first time he glimpsed
the inside of the disk.

Lazar: “I got to look inside and it had really small chairs. I
think that was the first confirmation I had. That was just a
shocking thing because everytime before that I was able to label
it. This is just a little advance that a group of scientists had
formed and, you know, they’re keeping it secret, and yeah, we
could have built a big disk like that, and yeah, that’s no
problem, and, you know, we could have adapted the use(?) to make
it fly, but why does it have little furniture inside? [garbled].
And things began to click together just all too fast.”

A few of the disks had been completely dismantled to find
out how they worked, Lazar says, but others were fully
operational. A Japanese TV network created this animated version
of Lazar’s story after his first interview with us aired in May
[showing video]. Lazar says the dramatization is similar to a
test flight he witnessed.

Lazar: “The bottom of it glowed blue and began to hiss like any,
like high voltage does on a round sphere. It’s my impression
that the reason that they’re round and have no sharp edges is to
contain the high voltage like, uh, if you’ve seen a high voltage
system’s insulators — things are round or else you get a corona
discharge. In either case, it began to hiss as in high voltage
and it lifted off the ground quietly except for that little hiss
in the background, and that stopped as soon as it reached about
20 or 30 feet.”

Lazar says the test of the sport model was a short one –
that it made only a few moves before setting back down. He
didn’t see who was actually flying the craft, but was very
impressed, nonetheless.

Lazar: “Well, there’s no action reaction system to it. There’s
no, like in a jet engine, exhaust gas being thrown out — no
propeller, no noise. It’s just, for all intents and purposes,
magic.”

To Lazar’s knowledge, the flying disks are not being used,
for say, any flights to Jupiter. He said excessive caution and
intense secrecy contributed to the plodding pace of the program
and were a main source of his disenchantment.

Lazar: “It’s just unfair, outright, not to put it in the hands
of the overall scientific community. There are people much more
capable of dealing with this information, and by this time would
have gotten a lot further along than this small select group of
people working out in the middle of the desert. They don’t even
have the facilities, really, to completely analyze what they’re
dealing with.”

Gene Huff: “Well he was being quiet. If he kept me abreast of
anything, he kept me abreast of the security checks — they’d
randomly drop by his house. They’d threaten his life; they’d
threaten his wife’s life. They had done all that so we really
didn’t converse, I mean, he really was adhering to the program.”

Gene Huff is a Las Vegas real estate appraiser. A regular
guy who just happens to have a friend in the flying saucer
business. He learned about Lazar’s S-4 experiences only after a
long period. Lazar is anxious for people to know that he didn’t
just run right out and spill the secrets of the universe, and
that some things are properly kept confidential.

Lazar: “I did not believe that this should be a security matter.
Some of it, sure. But, just the concept that there’s definite
proof, and uh, we even have articles from another world, another
system, you just can’t not tell everyone. A lot of people don’t
believe that. But, I do.”

When he reached what he felt was his bursting point, he took
Huff and a few others to the edge of the Groom Mountains to see
the flights for themselves. A total of five witnesses on two
consecutive weeks managed to dodge security patrols long enough
to see the strange glowing object lift above the mountain.

Huff(?): “Uh, it came up above the same mountain. It moved
around. It did a step move — it actually went up in the air
like this [showing details with hands] and it hovered then
dropped way down then it just floated around and cruised around.
It starts coming up the mountain range….”

This home video tape was recorded during one of the trips to
the Groom Mountains [showing video tape. A lot of
talking....Object in sight....Mention of brightness of the
object....].
Admittedly, the tape proves very little by itself because,
with the distance and darkness, there are no reference points
other than the alleged flying disk, but Lazar’s information about
the time and location of the test flight proves correct — not
once but twice. That, according to our off-camera interviews
with each of the other witnesses. Gene Huff describes his second
sighting:

Huff: “Through the telescope we could see an elliptical-shaped
light. You can only get so close even with a telescope to a
secure facility. Anyway, it came up by us very rapidly. It
glowed and glows brighter like a star and we almost got the
feeling that it was going to explode, it glowed so brightly. We
backed up behind the car then it went down and glowed back up a
little bit and then very softly glided back over, back where the
mountains where it came up, hovered for awhile, and then that’s
that….Just like you see in the movies.”

Bob Lazar isn’t the only person to claim “inside knowledge”
of the flying disks at the test site — he is just the only
person to say so publicly. We have communicated with several
people who say they know of the saucer program. A technician in
a highly sensitive position told us it is “common knowledge among
those with high security clearances that recovered alien disks
are stored at the Nevada test site.” A Las Vegas professional,
who once served in the military and was stationed at the test
site, said he saw a flying disk land outside the boundaries of
Area 51 — that it was quickly surrounded by security personnel
and that he was taken away and debriefed for several hours. A
man who once worked at Groom Lake as a technician, at our
request, wrote this letter explaining how he inadvertently walked
into the wrong hangar and saw what appeared to be a large
metallic disk under a tarp. It was being examined by men in lab
coats. And, an airman who worked at Nellis at a radar
installation says he and his fellow servicemen watched over a
period of five nights, unusual objects flying over the Groom
Mountains. He says the radar images indicates the objects zoomed
into range at speeds of 7,000 miles per hour and then would stop
on a dime, and that nothing we have is capable of doing that.
The airman says that when word of his sighting got out, he was
ordered to turn off his radar sensors for that area and told to
keep quiet about the matter because it did not happen.
None of this means that the military is actually flying
alien spacecraft in the Nevada desert. It could all perhaps be
explained as some other secret program. Lazar insists that’s not
the case.
We put the matter to the U.S. Navy, which according to
Lazar, is running the saucer show. Four different naval offices
were contacted. All denied having any information in their
files. The Naval Research Lab said it conducted a thorough
search but found “zip.” Naval Intelligence said much the same
thing, adding, it is not required to create a file where one
doesn’t exist. A side note: We also requested files on a UFO
sighting over Tremonton, Utah in 1952. The Navy spent more than
a thousand hours studying film of that sighting — a fact that’s
been noted in several publications — but, for purposes of our
request, the Navy couldn’t find those files either.

Lazar: “The group that runs this project, whether it really is
the Navy or they just say that, apparently these people have
executive power — they don’t report to anyone.”

Tomorrow, more troubling allegations of the military
potential of alien technology.

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This is the Chuck Harder radio interview “For The People” of
George Knapp, regarding Robert Lazar.

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DATE OF UPLOAD: December 23, 1989
ORIGIN OF UPLOAD: ParaNet Information Service
CONTRIBUTED BY: Chuck Harder/Special Correspondent to ParaNet
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(C) Copyright 1989 ParaNet Information Service
All Rights Reserved unless copyrighted by Author.
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INTERVIEW WITH GEORGE KNAPP OF KLAS-TV (LAS VEGAS, NEVADA) ON
NOVEMBER 17, 1989. INTERVIEWED BY CHUCK HARDER, HOST AND
MODERATOR OF ‘FOR THE PEOPLE’ OF THE SUN RADIO NETWORK.

CHUCK HARDER
My guest has (now) called in and I’m going to run down who he is
and where he’s from for a number of reasons, some of them for his
own protection. George, are you there…

GEORGE KNAPP
Hello Chuck.

CHUCK HARDER
Please tell us, you are George Knapp, right…

GEORGE KNAPP
That’s right.

CHUCK HARDER
George, what do you do for a living?

GEORGE KNAPP
I’m a journalist with KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the CBS affiliate
here.

CHUCK HARDER
So you are a TV newsman…

GEORGE KNAPP
Right.

CHUCK HARDER
And you work for Channel 8, KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada…

GEORGE KNAPP
Right.

CHUCK HARDER
I understand that you have come upon some very interesting
information and you’ve done some special reports, could you tell
us about it…?

GEORGE KNAPP
Well we just finished a nine-part series — what may be the
longest series that’s ever been done on this subject dealing with
UFOs.

Our research actually started about two and a half years ago, a
fellow named John Lear, the son of the guy who invented the Lear
Jet brought some of this information to our attention. In May of
this year, Mr. Lear introduced us to a fellow who claims to have
worked at a secret base designated S-4…on a top-secret Nevada
test site…the fellow said that he worked on flying saucers,
that the technology was not from Earth, and we interviewed him
live in silhouette in May, the response was incredible…we got
response from Japan, parts of that interview aired on radio in
Europe, and six different European countries…so we decided with
this much interest we might want to take a look at the subject in
more depth.

We started doing that and the first thing we found out is that
really UFOs have not been given a fair shake by science, by
government, by religion and especially by journalism. Millions
of people have seen UFOs, millions more believe…I think the
latest Gallup poll shows about 70 percent of college-educated
Americans believe that there’s something to it, but because of
the tabloid aspects…’The Girl Who Gives Birth to 52 UFO Babies’
– kind of things in the National Enquirer, people have shied
away from it…Serious people have shied away. Scientists,
although they might be interested in searching the universe for
radio signals really don’t want to look in their own back yard –
they can’t get grants…people would laugh at them. Journalism -
- the coverage is generally condescending and quirky, especially
by the networks, as in the coverage of this UFO that supposedly
landed in the USSR, people making fun of it…so, we figured out
that millions of people want to know as Roy Neary, the guy in the
‘Close Encounters’ movie said, ‘What’s going on?’ So we started
investigating it. The focal point of the story being this fellow
who said he worked at S-4. We broke his identity last Friday.
His name is Bob Lazar, he is a former scientist who worked at Los
Alamos National Labs, he is a physicist…we did a lot of
checking on him and found interestingly enough that his life was
disappearing around him. In other words we called Los Alamos
Labs and they said they never heard of him. We called MIT where
he says he went to school and they had never heard of him. We
called for his Birth records and they had disappeared…as if
someone was trying to make him a non-person. We did however
confirm some of the information that he had given us…we found
newspaper articles from Los Alamos indicating that he had indeed
worked there…we found an old telephone book from the lab with
his name in it, which gave him a certain amount of credibility in
our eyes. The story he tells is an incredible one. He was hired
to work at this area called S-4 on the test site, he was flown up
to a place called Groom Lake — taken by bus with no windows to
S-4…the base is built almost to look like its part of the
desert with sand covered hanger doors, he goes inside and he
starts reading these briefing papers dealing with UFOs! Pictures
of UFOs on the walls, pictures of aliens, autopsy reports on
alien bodies…things of this nature — he’s pretty amazed. Then
he sees the discs. He says there are nine of the discs up there,
they are powered by an anti-matter reactor which produces its own
gravitational field…technology that does not exist on this
planet, and the interesting thing…he thought for a while that
perhaps it was just an advanced secret scientific project that
our government is pursuing until he looked inside one of the
discs and noticed the small furniture…all the chairs were built
like for children…and then things started coming together for
him. Are you with me Chuck?

CHUCK HARDER
I’m listening.

GEORGE KNAPP
Er, I’m not sure how much detail you want me to go in on…

CHUCK HARDER
Oh I think you ought to keep going.

GEORGE KNAPP
Well, this fellow was up there for only a few months. And it was
a rough place for him to work…the security was so hard and he
was being harassed at home, his phones being tapped…plus he’s
on to what he thinks are the secrets of the universe…he starts
to tell other people about it, confide with close friends.

CHUCK HARDER
Ummmmmm…..

GEORGE KNAPP
He had the date of a couple of tests and on two consecutive
weekends he took people up into the desert outside of the
boundaries of area S-4, and they video taped the saucers…what
looks like a saucer coming over the mountains!

CHUCK HARDER
Wow…

GEORGE KNAPP
We showed that video as well…

CHUCK HARDER
Uh-huh….

GEORGE KNAPP
Five different people that we interviewed that had gone up there
confirmed the same story…we also had confirmation of other bits
of his story from other people, a former security guard who
worked up there…who said he had seen the saucers, a former
technician…

CHUCK HARDER
By the way, excuse me, I have some letters from some people
postmarked from that area, one inside of a base, who tells me
what you’re saying is true. Keep going.

GEORGE KNAPP
Ah, we also found a Nellis Airman who had been on radar duty at
Nellis airbase which is here just south of the area that this
fellow is talking about…he reported numerous times seeing…

CHUCK HARDER
George, excuse me…let me do the half hour news break, I want
you to tell your story, I want America to hear it…please stand
by.

>>>>At this point the SUN RADIO NETWORK runs the half hour news
headlines and sports audio package from UPI<<<<

(After news the guest is re-introduced for listeners who may have
just tuned in…)

CHUCK HARDER
How many reports did you do, George?

GEORGE KNAPP
We did nine total in this series.

CHUCK HARDER
Ok, now at the time we went to news on the half hour you told me
that a scientist named Bob Lazar…

GEORGE KNAPP
Right…

CHUCK HARDER
Ok, came to you and came to the public and apparently was
concerned for his safety because he wanted to tell America or get
news out that – yes, the Federal Government has nine saucers, and
yes they are near…it’s near Nellis, is it not?

GEORGE KNAPP
Yes.

CHUCK HARDER
Cause I have letters from people who are at Nellis. Some of
which don’t want to give their name, some of which gave their
name, I have the postmarks. Tell us now if you would, start the
story from the fact that the gentleman has revealed that there
are nine of these things. We’re listening and so is America.

GEORGE KNAPP
Well, we wanted to try to confirm as much of his story as
possible from other sources of course, so we started looking for
other people who might have knowledge of what’s going on up
there…as I mentioned, I found a former security guard who said
that he had seen the saucers up there, I found a former
technician who said that he had walked into a room inadvertently
and saw one under a tarp, we found a Nellis airman who had worked
in radar and said that basically he and his fellow airman has
seen these things flying over the Groom Mountains at speeds up to
7,000 miles per hour on radar…these things would stop on a
dime, so the guy knew that this is not your average airplane
that’s doing this. We also interviewed the other people who went
with Lazar up on two consecutive weeks, they test them on
Wednesdays for some reason, and videotaped the tests, saw these
things flying over the mountains and confirmed his story as well.

We put these questions to the Navy, who Lazar says he worked for
up there — we made Freedom of Information Act requests for
information about the various specific programs he mentioned, of
course the Navy denied having any information on the programs.
Of course in those requests we also asked for other information
about UFOs, stuff the Navy has already released and they denied
having that information as well — so I don’t put a lot of faith
in the FOIA requests.

CHUCK HARDER
In other words, what you’re saying is that your organization
which is KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, plus many other UFO research
groups have uncovered many UFO documents that the government
says, ‘Yeah, we got them and yeah it’s true’…but then when you
ask them again they say, ‘No, we don’t have them!’

GEORGE KNAPP
Exactly…that’s exactly correct!

CHUCK HARDER
I understand from MUFON and many other groups that there are
somewhere from four to seven thousand documents that prove
that…yes these things exist, copies of the documents are in
private hands, then you go and ask the government and they say,
‘Well, er, no we don’t remember…’

GEORGE KNAPP
The government says that they have done these studies that say
that UFOs are no threat to national security, they’re either
psychological aberrations, which means that people are nuts when
they see them, that’s what they feed the public…but behind the
scenes they are very concerned about the national security
implications of UFOs that land at nuclear missile bases and can’t
be caught, things of that nature. So the government from what
I’ve read is very concerned about the phenomena and doesn’t
really understand it. The government on the other hand has
outright lied concerning what information it does have…the CIA
for example says it doesn’t collect any information on
UFOs…well that’s just patently not true. We have documents
from the CIA, a lot of it is blacked out, which mentions UFO
studies by the CIA, UFO research, CIA-UFO experts, agency
personnel who are monitoring the phenomenon, so they have lied to
us all along. I didn’t expect to get any confirmation regarding
what Lazar has to say, but had to give it a try anyway.

CHUCK HARDER
Before we went to the half-hour break you said that when he
looked inside one of these discs there were little furniture,
give me some information…

GEORGE KNAPP
Well he feels that they were bringing him along, giving him a
piece at a time. He would see a saucer one day, the next he
would see the hanger doors open and see all nine of them…after
that he got to see the inside of the thing. He also got to see a
demonstration of it. He was told to stand back and watch
this…and the thing lights up real bright…I guess the power
that’s produced is incredible, you need to produce your own
gravitational field and it raised up, he wasn’t sure who was
flying it or was it remotely or what. He watched it raise up,
did a couple of maneuvers and sat back down. Part of the reason
he came forward, not to spill the secrets of the universe or the
government, but because the research that’s being done up there
is being handled in a clumsy fashion. If they have had these for
as long as forty years, which is what he believes, they haven’t
come to far in trying to understand them. Some of the discs he
said he saw up there were being taken apart, kind of a reverse
archaeology process to figure out how they worked. Some of the
research going on up there is aimed at trying to duplicate the
things that these machines can do using earth technologies and
earth materials and he says it just can’t be done. The key to
the flying of the things is something he calls ‘Element 115′…it
does not exist on our periodic charts, he believes that wherever
it came from its a naturally occurring element, he says we have
500 pounds of this stuff up there, just a little tiny sliver of
it produces incredible amounts of power. Its the ’115′ that we
will not be able to duplicate so he thinks…one of the reasons
that he came forward is because scientists all over the world are
working, putting their energy into trying to master the secrets
of gravity and the secrets of anti-matter technology and here
we’ve got it up there and they’re not doing a very good job with
it — this little batch of scientists hidden out in the desert
are trying to figure it out and not doing a very good job…

CHUCK HARDER
But this is kind of common with the United States government…I
read a tremendous amount of material…I read a tremendous amount
of material…I read five newspapers a day and I’ll find where
one group in one part of the country is working on a project and
I’ll get a clipping where another group is working on the same
project, I’ve contacted them and they don’t know of each other!

GEORGE KNAPP
Yeah, Yeah — that’s exactly right…he said the
compartmentalization up there was very severe as well so that
nobody had the full picture — I guess so nobody could spill the
beans as he has been trying to do.

CHUCK HARDER
Alright, what does he feel the public should know and what does
he feel should be done?

GEORGE KNAPP
Well, he’s not on a campaign, what he really wanted to do was to
save his own life. He started having some problems when it
became obvious to his employers that he was telling someone else
about this.

CHUCK HARDER
We’re talking about Bob Lazar now…

GEORGE KNAPP
Bob Lazar…his phone being tapped, people visiting him, calling
him up with a single word message — DEAD — then they hang up!
He tried to arrange meetings with his former supervisor and the
meetings didn’t come off, he says somebody took a shot at him on
the freeway…obviously he realizes that if they really wanted to
kill him, they could. Maybe perhaps they were just trying to
shut him up. He feels that what is going on up there is a crime
against the entire scientific community…not only the American
people because we don’t know what’s going on and we haven’t been
told alien technology exists, but also against the scientific
community. So, what else can I tell ya?

CHUCK HARDER
What does he say about the aliens?

GEORGE KNAPP
He’s reluctant to talk about that, apparently he did see some
aliens up there…

CHUCK HARDER
Excuse me, are you telling me there were live aliens?

GEORGE KNAPP
Yeah, he’s kind of sketchy on the details of that, and I don’t
think I should go much further on that…part of the discussion
until I can talk to him, but he has indications that there are
aliens up there, at least one…

CHUCK HARDER
Live?

GEORGE KNAPP
Yeah, it’s pretty wild, I know and I didn’t include that in our
reports because I couldn’t confirm any thing of that nature, I
couldn’t find anyone else who had seen them up there so…

CHUCK HARDER
What did they look like?

GEORGE KNAPP
Your classic Grey…the little big-headed almond eyed-grey
skinned being…the same ones in the classic descriptions of the
UFO literature…he’s kind of squeamish talking about it as well
because it sounds so crazy…

CHUCK HARDER
I don’t think it’s crazy at all, there was an article, let me
digress for a moment, there was an article yesterday on the front
page of The Wall Street Journal where the FDA that stopped all of
the grapes from Chile last March…apparently somebody laced two
of the grapes with cyanide a couple of hours before the FDA,
stumbled on them and it was an inside job apparently while the
grapes were in the inspection station…and it was not done on
the way, so somebody’s lying there — we’re talking of two little
grapes that almost bankrupted the country of Chile! If two
little grapes…and such a story hits the front page of The Wall
Street Journal about the questions about the truthfulness and
what happened with the FDA, what about this…how would this ever
get out if they would cover up a story about TWO LITTLE GRAPES?!

GEORGE KNAPP
Well, I tell you we asked the question, the obvious question, if
this is true; how can the government keep this a secret all this
time? A story this big — the government leaks like a sieve on
other things, how could the coverup exist?

CHUCK HARDER
Oh, I’ll tell you…

GEORGE KNAPP
To which Lazar responds, this is the easiest…and he asked the
question to his superiors up there, it’s the easiest thing in the
world to keep a secret because if it does come out, little bits
and pieces, who’s going to believe it?

CHUCK HARDER
Exactly…let me, you remember the Condon Report, do you not?

GEORGE KNAPP
Yes…

CHUCK HARDER
For those who are listening, I got into this investigation
because I kept getting letters from our listeners who said, Chuck
you ought to investigate this…we’ve investigated many things in
the past such as the GM Diesel coverup, we’re working on a pay
phone coverup, we’ve done things with Ralph Nader…and so on.
So we started buying the books and contacting UFO organizations.
I then found that there was a guy named Phil Klass who was always
there…somehow he as always there and he said that everything
was bunk! And of course, he works for the Aviation Week magazine
which is of course is the mouthpiece for the Military/Industrial
complex and they certainly wouldn’t want this technology to be
out! I was also amazed when I saw the stealth bomber (tests)
live on CNN one Saturday and a small plane landed at the same
place, (runway) do you remember that…?

GEORGE KNAPP
Yes…

CHUCK HARDER
My question is: If the Stealth Bomber was so super-secret, how
could a man and his children land their little tiny plane on the
same runway at a super-secret airforce base? How could he have
pierced the radar and fighter jets and so forth? My feeling was,
probably the Stealth Bomber was obsolete and nobody was watching!

GEORGE KNAPP
Yeah, I’d have to agree with you, because the security up
there…the only thing that comes out of that place is what they
want out of it.

CHUCK HARDER
So what your talking about then, since the Condon Committee, Phil
Klass and all the of the spokespeople who are supposed to know
everything, what your saying is the ridicule factor…if Billy
Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo of it and takes it
to the paper, everybody laughs at him!

GEORGE KNAPP
There are actual documents the government has released (Under
Freedom of Information Act) that show it has an active program
that started back in the fifties…the CIA even used the term
DEBUNKING, there were discussions about using Walt Disney to
produce cartoons that made fun of people who had seen flying
saucers…they were going to bring Arthur Godfrey in as their
spokesperson. Phil Klass as you mentioned, he’s explained away
UFO sightings seen by thousands of people as the constellation
ORION, when you can only see ORION from the other side of the
planet.

CHUCK HARDER
Uh huh…

GEORGE KNAPP
He uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to explain the
sightings where plasma balls only last for a few seconds and the
examples that he is trying to explain occur in cloudless skies
where there is no lightning around. You mention the Condon
report, that’s a perfect example of the kinds of things that the
government has done in the past, they commission a study, it’s
supposed to be THE STUDY, but the guy they hire to run the thing,
Edward Condon had before he even started, that there was nothing
to UFOs, the government should get out of it, and he also said at
one point that the authors of UFO books should be HORSEWHIPPED!
One of the explanations that came from the Condon Committee
witnessed by several people, they described it as, a natural
phenomena so rare that it has never been seen before or since! I
don’t think this kind of a thing is an accident!

CHUCK HARDER
Ok, the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a UFO) and
from what I have heard there are different kinds of aliens, some
have been coming here for years and years and it’s nothing new…

GEORGE KNAPP
Right…

CHUCK HARDER
Why is it in some parts of the world (now) they report other
types of humanoids and other types of vehicles…I happen to have
beautiful photos of some, and as I told you off-the-air, we’re
going to be releasing them in our upcoming magazine if someone
doesn’t stick a dagger through my heart…

GEORGE KNAPP
You’re talking about the Billy Meier case, if you want to touch
on that, we also did some investigation on that…

CHUCK HARDER
Ok, go ahead.

GEORGE KNAPP
Billy Meier, I’ve always been intrigued by that, and wanted to
check them out. Its been pretty much written-off by the UFO
community but when we put questions to them about the case they
can’t explain exactly why so we traveled to Phoenix and talked to
Lee Elders one of the lead investigators on the Billy Meier case
and started going over the evidence. The photos had been
analyzed by independent experts, the film footage and video had
been analyzed, the metal sample had been confirmed as something
we don’t have — technology of cold fusion was used to produce
this metal, the landing sites, the strange circular patterns in
the grass that are now only gaining attention in Britain and
other countries, all of this stuff had never been pretty much
discounted by the UFO community because Elders and Wendelle
Stevens had gone outside of the UFO community to get
confirmation. The UFO people were kept out of it, the Billy
Meier case I think exemplifies the biggest weakness in UFOLOGY
and that’s the jealousy that permeates the field…everybody
wants to be the only one with the real story of UFOs, so they
kind of written this guy off only because he didn’t cooperate
with them.

CHUCK HARDER
We have been able to get some photos from a source who has some
negatives that were just recently located…some from ten feet
away, I used to be in the motion picture business. If they are
models they cost thousands of dollars and I doubt if a simple
Swiss farmer could have done it…

GEORGE KNAPP
I’d agree with ya, the reason we got interested in Billy Meier,
it goes back to Lazar, was because Bob Lazar says, the saucer
that he saw fly, he dubbed it the sport model, was the same
saucer in the Meier photos, exactly the same.

CHUCK HARDER
The new ones or the old ones?

GEORGE KNAPP
The new one.

CHUCK HARDER
Ok, that’s the one we’ve got.

GEORGE KNAPP
Going back to the things he saw (Lazar) at S-4, he saw the nine
saucers, he said all nine of them were different, like we got the
variety pack, but the one he saw fly was like the one in the
Meier photo. (There are Three types photographed by Billy
Meier.)

That’s why we decided to check out the Meier part of the (UFO)
story.

>>>>At this point Chuck Harder tells George Knapp that there is a
break coming up and after the break would he please tell Mr. and
Mrs. America what they should do to get the truth.<<<<

CHUCK HARDER
I hope that Mr. and Mrs. America make note of the name George
Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to them, you
know why.

GEORGE KNAPP
Someone should tell us what’s going on…TV and movies have
conditioned us…we won’t panic…Jimmy Carter when he ran for
President promised that if he was elected that he vowed to open
all the UFO files and he didn’t — we wrote to him asking why and
he didn’t respond. We want the government to come clean. If
that takes a Congressional Investigation…that’s something that
should be looked at. If it is launched we have to make sure that
there are no CIA, contractors and the like involved otherwise
people aren’t going to believe it. We’ve seen enough of this
whitewash stuff over the years. If there’s nothing to the story,
then open up the files and prove it to us!

CHUCK HARDER
OK, have the government let the press into these areas and don’t
first clean them out…

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HAARP – High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

Posted on 23 October 2012 by olav

HAARP is a project funded by the US Senate and opperated by the US Navy & AirForce. HAARP or “High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program”, was supposedly started to communicate with submarines deep in the ocean using ELF radio waves which can penetrate the ocean as well as the earths surface.

In 1983 Ronald Regan ordered the scientific community to began research apon world peace by creation of technology that would make all future nuclear war impossible. The “Star Wars” age of weapons technology was started. Over 100 projects were funded, many died in construction, while quite a few are still operating today, some completed.

Where and what is HAARP?

HAARP is a bed of 48 – 72 foot tall antennas. These antennas which lie in Gakona Alaska in the Copper River valley are on land owned by the DOD or (Department of Defense) and are located about 260 miles Northeast of Anchorage Alaska. The entrance to HAARP is at mile marker 11.3 from Route 1′s junction with Route 4. Only partially finished the entire array will consist of 180 antennas and will be more power full than all other antenna array for ionosphere heating ever built. Ionosphere heaters simply use radio waves to heat a portion of the ionosphere which surrounds the earth, many already exist, but this is the largest ever. The government explains Ionospheric heaters simply as a small scale stimulation of natural solar heating of our atmosphere. The antenna array is under control by the U.S. Laboratory located at Hanscom Air Force Base, Massachusetts, (ONR & NRL) National Research Laboratory, Office Of Navel Research. Haarp covers 58 acres, of which 22 were wetlands. Wetland of course is useless for building so the government filled this area in with gravel in order to create a level ground for the project. Of course it only makes sense to spend millions in tax payers dollars to build something on unsable ground.

Technical Aspects Of Current Prototype In 1995

Antennas 48 of 180.
Proposed 15 columns 12 rows of antennas.
X shaped antennas (dipoles)
Antennas opperate at 2.8-7Mhz or 7Mhz-10Mhz
Screen Under antennas catch radio waves and
redirect them upward in order to intensify the power of the radio waves.
30 Shelters each holding 12 desiel transmitters
Each rated at 10,000 RF watts totalling 3.6 Million watts of power

What does all this mean?

With the power HAARP has it can focus all its radio wave sinto a single beam in the sky, which effectively exceeds its 3.6 Million watt power status. Still to get a better idea, its 72,000 times more powerfull than the U.S’s most powerfull radio station. With this much power the possibilites for use are endless, of course activists ,conspiricists, and enviromentalists all have thier own ideas for applications of this weapon / utility, both good and bad

Other HAARP Sites?

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Groom Lake/Area 51 Security Manual

Posted on 23 October 2012 by olav


Cover

 

 

DET 3 SP

JOB KNOWLEDGE

[Cover shows badges for "Security Police, Department of the Air Force, United States of America" and "Special Security Officer, Liberty and Justice for All." There is no mention of any facility name.]

 


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INTRODUCTION
THIS TRAINING/JOB KNOWLEDGE BOOKLET HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO ASSIST THE SECURITY PERSONNEL ASSIGNED TO THIS SQUADRON IN PERFORMING IN A MORE KN0WLEDGEABLE AND PROFESSIONAL MANNER. WHILE THE INFORMATION IS NOT ALL INCLUSIVE TO YOUR SPECIFIC JOB, IT WAS DEVELOPED IN THE SPIRIT TO HELP ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE WHEN PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES.

ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED WITHIN IS FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY AND IS NOT TO LEAVE THE SITE.

REVISIONS OR CHANGES WILL BE MADE AS NEW INFORMATION IS IDENTIFIED.

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WRITTEN BY: TSGT PETE SELTER/MAR 88

 


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TABLE OF CONTENTS
 

1.  INTRODUCTION LETTER

2.  TABLE OF CONTENTS

3.  SECURITY MISSION - COVER STORY

4.  SQUADRON POSITIONS

5.  DUTY POSITIONS - QUALITY CONTROL EVALUATIONS

6.  SECURITY CATEGORIES

7.  SECURITY NET CALL SIGNS

8.  LOCAL RADIO NET TERMINOLOGY

9.  RESPONSE PRIORITY - ALARM CODES

10. FIRE RESPONSE UNIT LOCATIONS (RUNWAY OPERATIONS)

11. FIRE DEPARTMENT 10 CODES

12. FIRE DEPARTMENT CALL SIGNS - VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION

13. WALL SEARCH - HANDCUFF GUIDELINES

14. KNEELING SEARCH - HANDCUFF GUIDELINES

15. SECURITY POLICE EVACUATION RALLY POINT

16. FIELD SENSOR DIAGRAM

17. FIELD SENSOR OPERATION GUIDE

18. BLDG #269 RESPONSE GUIDE

19. BLDG #299 FLOOR PLAN (LOWER LEVEL)

20. BLDG #299 DIAGRAM

21. BLDG #299 INTEL VAULT DIAGRAM

22. WEAPONS MOVEMENT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES

23. VEHICLE PASS EXPLANATION

24. VEHICLE PASSES EXAMPLES (#1 & #2)

25. VEHICLE PASSES EXAMPLES (#3 & #4)

26. LAND WITHDRAWL LETTER - PUBLIC LAW 98-485 EXCERPT

27. INADVERTENT EXPOSURE FORM

28. CONTRACT SECURITY OFFICER JOB DESCRIPTION

29. MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION

 


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SECURITY MISSION
TO DETECT, DETER AND DENY UNAUTHORIZED INDIVIDUALS ACCESS TO THIS AREA, MAINTAINING A SECURE ENVIRONMENT AND PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THIS FACILITY. OUR SECURITY VIGILANCE PROTECTS RESOURCES FROM EXPOSURE, COMPROMISE, THEFT OR SABOTAGE.

 

COVER STORY
YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE SECURITY FORCE PATROLLING THE NELLIS BOMBING RANGE. [ADVISE PERSONNEL TO DEPART] BECAUSE OF UNEXPLODED ORDINANCE, LOW FLYING AIRCRAFT AND STRAFING RUNS ARE CONDUCTED HERE.

NOTE: TRAINING, GOOD JUDGMENT AND COMMON SENSE MUST BE UTILIZED WHEN EVER YOU ENCOUNTER UNIDENTIFIED INDIVIDUALS OUT ON THE RANGE.

 


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[Organization Chart. Poor copy. Questionable terms marked by "?".]

 

         CHIEF, SECURITY POLICE

                     |

                     |-- SECRETARY

         +-----------+----------+

         |           |          |

OPERATIONS OFFICER   |   CONTRACT CAPTAIN

         |           |          |

        GS's         |   CONTRACT FLIGHTS

                     |

         +-----------|---------------+

         |           |               |

        SPP        SFO[?]    RESOURCE MANAGER 

         |           |               |  (supply)

         |           +-----+         |

         |                 |         |

+--------+------------+    |      +--+------+---------+

|        |            |    |      |         |         |

QC  INVESTIGATIONS   [?]   |  VEHICLES  RESOURCE     [?]

                           |            PROTECTION

                           |

               +-----------+-------+

               |                   |

          A/E FLIGHTS [?]    SENSORS-SC[?]

 


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DUTY POSITIONS – QUALITY CONTROL EVALUATIONS
THE FOLLOWING IS A BREAKDOWN OF DUTY POSITIONS FOR THE CONTRACT SECURITY AND AIR FORCE SECURITY PERSONNEL.

 

                                 GS

                         (SHIFT COMMANDER)

CONTRACT SECURITY                  AIR FORCE SECURITY

-----------------                  ------------------

LAW ENFORCEMENT FLIGHT CHIEF       SECURITY FLIGHT CHIEF

SECURITY CONTROLLER - PATROL SGT   SECURITY CONTROLLER

INSTALLATION ENTRY CONTROLLER      SECURITY RESPONSE TEAM

NORTH RANGE PATROL

CANTONMENT PATROL

SOUTHEND PATROL

AN INITIAL QUALITY CONTROL EVALUATION WILL BE CONDUCTED ON INDIVIDUALS RELEASED FROM TRAINING AND AFTER WORKING FOR 30 DAYS ON FLIGHT. WHEN THIS EVALUATION IS COMPLETED AN ANNUAL EVALUATION WILL BE CONDUCTED ON THAT INDIVIDUAL FOR THE ASSIGNED DUTY POSITION. AN EVALUATION WILL BE CONDUCTED IF AN INDIVIDUAL CHANGES DUTY POSITIONS AND IS CERTIFIED BY HIS SUPERVISOR FOR THE NEW POSITION. THE QC EVALUATION WILL CONSIST OF A THREE PHASE EVALUATION: ORAL, WRITTEN AND PRACTICAL. A MINIMUM OF SCORE OF 70% FOR THE ORAL, 70% FOR THE WRITTEN AND 80% FOR THE PRACTICAL HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR ALL POSITIONS EXCEPT FOR THE SECURITY CONTROLLER, A SCORE OF 80% OVER ALL AREAS IS REQUIRED. ALL POSITIONS WILL TAKE A WEAPONS/USE OF FORCE TEST WHICH IS CORRECTABLE TO 100%.

 


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SECURITY CATEGORIES
SECURITY CATEGORIES ARE DIFFERENT POSTURES OF SECURITY REQUIRED TO MEET SECURITY OBJECTIVES OF DEPARTMENTAL PROGRAMS. THE POSTURES MAY EFFECT SITE OPERATIONS INVOLVING NON-PERMANENT PERSONNEL NOT CLEARED ON THAT PROGRAM. THE CATEGORIES ARE AS FOLLOWS:

CATEGORY 1: THIS IS THE SECURITY POSTURE DURING NON-DUTY HOURS WHEN PROGRAM ACTIVITIES ARE NOT IN OPERATION AND THE MAJORITY OF THE BASE POPULACE HAS COMPLETED DUTY FOR THE DAY.

CATEGORY 2: THIS IS THE SECURITY POSTURE DURING NORMAL DUTY HOURS WHEN PROGRAM ASSESTS ARE NOT EXPOSED AND THE MAJORITY OF THE BASE POPULACE IS PRESENT FOR DUTY.

CATEGORY 3: THIS IS AN INCREASED SECURITY POSTURE REQUIRED FOR DEPARTMENTAL PROGRAMS. THE LETTER DESIGNATORS FOLLOWING THE NUMBER ’3′ WILL IDENTIFY THE PROGRAM AS IDENTIFIED IN DET 3 REG 125-2. THIS CATEGORY WILL BE IN EFFECT WHENEVER DEPARTMENTAL PROGRAM ASSESTS ARE EXPOSED ON THE GROUND AND INADVERTENT EXPOSURE TO NON-CLEARED PERSONNEL IS HIGHLY POSSIBLE. NON-PERMANENT PERSONNEL NOT CLEARED FOR THAT PROGRAM WILL BE SEQUESTERED.

CATEGORY 4: THIS INCREASED SECURITY POSTURE IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS CATEGORY 3, EXCEPT DEPARTMENTAL PROGRAM ASSESTS ARE EXPOSED IN OPERATION AND INADVERTENT EXPOSURE TO NON-CLEARED PERSONNEL IS PROBABLE. NON-PERMANENT PERSONNEL NOT CLEARED FOR THAT PROGRAM WILL BE SEQUESTERED.

CATEGORY 3/4 WITH NIGHT TIME DEVIATIONS

DURING NIGHT HOURS, APPROVED PROGRAM PERSONNEL MAY IMPLEMENT CATEGORY 3 THROUGH SECURITY WHEN TEO IS NOT MANNING THE CURRENT OPERATIONS CENTER (WHITE ROOM). HOWEVER, A NIGHT TIME CATEGORY 3 IMPLEMENTED BY THE PROGRAM PERSONNEL IN THIS MANNER MUST TERMINATE THE CATEGORY 30 MINUTES PRIOR TO SUNRISE, UNLESS TEO CURRENT OPERATIONS (WHITE ROOM) IS MANNED AND OPERATING.

STANDARD DEVIATIONS: APPROVED PROGRAM PERSONNEL MAY REQUEST OR APPROVE A STANDARD DEVIATION TO CATEGORY 3. THE STANDARD DEVIATION ALLOWS NON PERMANENT PERSONNEL NOT CLEARED ON THAT PROGRAM TO MOVE WITHIN THE MAIN BASE AREA WITHOUT SEQUESTERING. OTHER VISITOR CONTROL AND ESCORT PROCEDURES STILL APPLY.

(EXCERPTED FROM DET 3 REG 205-3)

 


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SECURITY NET CALL SIGNS

UNIT                                CALL SIGN

----                                ---------

NET CONTROL STATION                 CONTROL

CENTRAL SECURITY CONTROL            CONTROL

CHIEF, SECURITY POLICE              SP #l

OPERATIONS OFFICER                  SP #2

CONTRACT OPERATIONS OFFICER         SP #3

OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT           SP #4

SHIFT COMMANDER                     SP #5

FLIGHT CHIEF (CONTRACT LT)          SP #6

CANTONMENT PATROL                   SP #7

NORTH RANGE PATROL LEADER           SP #8

NORTH RANGE PATROL MEMBER           SP #8A

BACK GATE                           SP #9

NORTH GATE                          SP #10

MAIN GATE                           SP #11

SOUTHEND PATROL                     SP #12

PATROL SGT (CONTRACT)               SP #14

FLIGHT CHIEF (AF)                   SP #15

SOUTH RANGE PATROL LEADER           SP #16/#18/#20

SOUTH RANGE PATROL MEMBER           SP #16A/#18A/#20A

NORTH RANGE PATROL LEADER           SP #17/#19/#21

NORTH RANGE PATROL MEMBER           SP #17A/#19A/#21A

PAX PAD                             PAX #1/#2/#3

INVESTIGATIONS                      INDIA #l

SENSOR SECTION                      SIERRA #l

SENSOR SECTION                      SIERRA #2

TRAINING                            TANGO #l

QUALITY CONTROL                     QUEBEC CHARLIE #l

VEHICLE MAINTENANCE NCOIC           VICTOR MIKE

HELICOPTER SUPPORT                  SUPPORT #l

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LOCAL TERMINOLOGY LIST

NAME                                              NICKNAME

----                                              --------

FIGHTER                                           TRIGGER/EAGLE

PROJECT                                           BANDIT

AIRBORNE INTRUDER                                 BOGEY

HELICOPTER                                        MONGOOSE

NTS HELICOPTER                                    DRAGON #1/#2

BACK GATE                                         FIRST BASE

NORTH GATE                                        SECOND BASE

MAIN GATE                                         THIRD BASE

SITE                                              HOME PLATE/C-BASE

BALD MOUNTAIN                                     R-l/R-7

PAPOOSE MOUNTAIN                                  P-l/P-7

BACK GATE ROAD                                    SUNRISE RD

LAKE BED ROAD                                     SEASHORE RD

700 ROAD                                          SUNDOWNER RD

VALLEY ROAD                                       FREEWAY

SADDLE ROAD                                       LEATHERSTRAP

GLIB ROAD                                         HILLSIDE RD

700 GATE                                          DOUBLE 00

MINES                                             CAVES

FIRE DEPARTMENT                                   PONY CONTROL

FIRE UNITS                                        PONY #1, #2, #3, ETC

MEDICS                                            MAGIC SHIELD

E.O.D.                                            MANIFOLD

SAFETY                                            FOULBALL

BASE OPS                                          DUTCH APPLE

WHITE ROOM                                        CHAIN SAW

CONTROL TOWER                                     TOWER

CC                                                TIPPER #l

CV                                                TIPPER #2

SLATTER LAKE AREA                                 HILL AREA

RUNWAY SWEEPERS                                   RECOMMENDATION

SECURITY (ADJUSTMENT NET)                         ADJUSTMENT 23

SECURITY UNIT (ADJUSTMENT NET)                    ADJUSTMENT 23A

C-130                                             VESPA #___

C-140                                             WAXY #___

DRONE CONTROL CENTER                              DCC

WEAPONS TEST RANGE                                WTR

RADAR DISH SOUTH OF SUNDOWNER RD, WEST OF P-l     CAREY SITE

OBSERVATORY, SOUTH OF SUNDOWNER ROAD, WEST OF P-l COMET #l

MICROWAVE DISH NORTH EAST OF SITE                 EDDY SITE

SECURITY CONDITION DUE TO SATELLITES OVERHEAD     NIGHTSHOT CONDITION

QUICK KILL RADAR SITES                            QK #1, #2, #3

BLDG AT EXTREME SOUTH OF SITE                     BEACON

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RESPONSE PRIORITY LIST
THE FOLLOWING LIST CONTAINS FACILITIES THAT PATROLS WILL RESPOND TO IN THE GIVEN PRIORITY OF THE ALARM, #l BEING THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR THE RESPONSE OF PATROLS:

 

PRIORITY   FACILITY                                BLDG NUMBER

--------   --------                                -----------

1          SECURITY POLICE ARMORY                  #412

2          CENTRAL SECURITY CONTROL                #412

3          INTELLIGENCE VAULT                      #299 RM 134/135

4          COMSEC VAULT                            #299 RM 200/201

5          WTM VAULT                               #240 (3 ROOMS)

6          FINANCE                                 #269

7          COMM CENTER                             #269

8          GRAPHICS ROOM                           #410

9          WHITE ROOM                              #299 RM 217

10         AFOSI                                   #432

11         PHOTO LAB VAULT                         #410

12         DYCOMS/PROJECT #100                     #130~31

13         BLDG #470 VAULT                         #47~ RM 6

14         PROGRAM SECURITY                        #484

15         HANGERS 9-12 & THE LEAN-TO              #482

16         HANGERS 13-14 & THE LEAN-TO             #480

17         HANGERS 15-16                           #480

18         SAM'S PLACE (BAR/MWR OFFICE)            #170

19         CONSOLIDATED SERVICES FACILITY (REECO)  #275

IF MORE THAN ONE ALARM IS GENERATED FROM THESE FACILITIES, PATROLS WILL BE DISPATCHED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR PRIORITY.

IF MORE THAN ONE ALARM IS GENERATED FROM THESE FACILITIES AND ANY OTHER ALARMED FACILITY, THE PATROLS WILL BE DISPATCHED TO THE LISTED FACILITIES FIRST AND THEN TO THE SECOND ALARMED FACILITY. (SIMULTANEOUSLY, IF ADEQUATE PATROLS ARE AVAILABLE)

 

ALARM CODES
THE FOLLOWING CODES ARE USED TO IDENTIFY A TYPE OF ALARM THAT YOU ARE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND:

 

CODE      TYPE OF ALARM

----      -------------

403       HOLD-UP ALARM

403A      HOLD-UP ALARM (FINANCE)

403B      HOLD-UP ALARM (SAM'S PLACE)

404       BURGLARY ALARM

405       AMBUSH ALARM (Same as a facilities duress alarm)

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FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE POSITIONS IDENTIFIED BY THE NUMBERS WITHIN THE CIRCLES, i.e., SPOT l, SPOT 2, etc.

 


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FIRE DEPARTMENT “10″ CODES

10-1                  RECEPTION POOR (CAN NOT UNDERSTAND)

10-2                  RECEPTION GOOD

10-3                  STOP TRANSMITTING

10-4                  MESSAGE RECEIVED

10-5                  STANDBY (OPERATOR BUSY)

10-6                  STATION CLEAR (OFF THE AIR)

10-7                  OUT OF SERVICE UNTIL ___ OR FOR ___ MINUTES

10-8                  IN SERVICE

10-9                  REPEAT LAST MESSAGE

10-10                 RETURN TO NORMAL OPERATIONS

10-11                 FLIGHTLINE PATROL

10-12                 READINESS STANDBY (RUNWAY)

10-13                 CRASH ALERT STANDBY (EMERGENCY)

10-14                 ARRIVED AT SCENE OR POSITION

10-15                 FINISHED WITH LAST ASSIGNMENT

10-16                 DISREGARD LAST ASSIGNMENT

10-17                 MAINTAIN RADIO SILENCE

10-18                 INVOLVED IN ACCIDENT

10-19                 RETURN OR RETURNING TO STATION

10-20                 WHAT IS YOUR LOCATION

10-21                 RADIO CHECK

10-22                 ENGINE RUN

10-23                 FUEL SPILL

10-24                 CHOW HALL

10-25                 REFUEL/DEFUEL OPERATION

10-27                 AIRLIFT STANDBY

10-28                 FIRE VEHICLE MECHANICAL PROBLEM

10-29                 UPDATE "POT LID"

10-30                 STANDBY BLDG #430

10-43                 STANDBY BLDG #443

10-51                 TYPE II

10-53                 TYPE III

10-57                 TYPE IV

10-58                 TYPE V

10-60                 HELICOPTER FLIGHT (RESCUE)

10-60-W               HELICOPTER FLIGHT (HOT SHOT)

10-61                 RESCUE/MEDICAL ASSISTANCE

10-100                BOMB THREAT, BUILDING

10-10-10              STANDBY EMERGENCY TRANSMISSION

DURING WILDFIRE OPERATIONS (RANGE FIRES) THE CALL SIGNS FOR THE RESPONDING FIRE UNITS WILL REVERT TO “RED” #1, #23, etc.

 


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FIRE DEPT PERSONNEL IDENTIFICATION – VEHICLE CALL SIGNS

CALL SIGN           VEHICLE TYPE        PURPOSE

---------           ------------        -------

PAINTED PONY           P/U              FIRE SPECIALIST

PONY 21                P/U              FIRE CHIEF

PONY 30                P/U              DEPUTY CHIEF

PONY 20                P/U              ASSISTANT CHIEF

                    OPERATIONS          

PONY 1                 P-20             SHIFT SUPERVISOR

PONY 2                 VAN              MOBILE COMMAND POST

                 CRASH/FIRE/RESCUE      

PONY 3                 P-l9             CFR

PONY 4                 P-l9             CFR

PONY 5                 P-l9             CFR

PONY 6                 P-l9             CFR

PONY 7                 P-2              CFR

PONY 8                 P-2              CFR

PONY 10                P-13             CFR

PONY 11                P-10             RESCUE

            STRUCTURAL/SPECIAL PURPOSE  

PONY 12                P-12             STRUCTURAL

PONY 14                P-8              STRUCTURAL

PONY 16                P-6              FOAMER

                TECHNICAL SERVICES      

PONY 17                S/B              A/C TECH SERVICES

PONY l8                P/U              FIRE INSPECTOR

PONY 19                P/U              FIRE INSPECTOR

                     WILDFIRE           

PONY 22                UNI-MOG          BRUSH

PONY 23                530-B            BRUSH

PONY 24                530-B            BRUSH

            SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT VEHICLES 

PONY 31                P/U              NIGHT CREW

TLR 1                  TRAILER          MONITOR UNIT

TLR 2                  TRAILER          FAN UNIT

TLR 3                  TRAILER          HAZ MAT UNIT

               AUXILIARY VEHICLES       

PONY 46                P-4              SPARE CFR

PONY 44                P-4              SPARE CFR

PONY 43                P-4              SPARE CFR

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WALL SEARCH/HANDCUFFING GUIDELINE
RIGHT SIDE

SUSPECT’S HEAD IS TO THE LEFT
PATROLMAN’S FEET IN THE PROPER POSITION
ARM PRESSURE BY THE PATROLMAN MAINTAINED ON SUSPECT
SEARCH DONE SYSTEMATICALLY

CHANGE OVER

PATROLMAN MAINTAINS BODY CONTACT DURING THE CHANGE OVER
PATROLMAN UTILIZES THE PROPER HAND AND FEET POSITIONING

LEFT SIDE

SUSPECT’S HEAD TO THE RIGHT
PATROLMAN’S FEET IN THE PROPER POSITION
ARM PRESSURE BY THE PATROLMAN MAINTAINED ON SUSPECT
SEARCH DONE SYSTEMATICALLY

HANDCUFFING

SUSPECT ON KNEES
PATROLMAN APPLIES THE CHOKE HOLD
PATROLMAN’S FEET IN THE PROPER POSITION
HANDCUFFS PLACED ON SUSPECT PROPERLY

REMOVING THE HANDCUFFS

SUSPECT IN ON KNEES
PATROLMAN MAINTAINS CONTROL OF THE CUFFS
THE FIRST HANDCUFF IS REMOVED AND LOCKED IMMEDIATELY
THE SECOND HANDCUFF IS REMOVED AND THE PATROLMAN STEPS AWAY FROM THE SUSPECT THEN LOCKS THE HANDCUFF

 


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KNEELING SEARCH/HANDCUFFING GUIDELINE
HANDCUFFING

SUSPECT ON KNEES
PATROLMAN APPLIES THE CHOKE HOLD
PATROLMAN’S FEET IN THE PROPER POSITION
HANDCUFFS PLACED ON PROPERLY

RIGHT SIDE

SUSPECT’S HANDS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PATROLMAN’S LEFT LEG
PATROLMAN’S LEFT HAND AT THE BASE OF THE SUSPECT’S NECK, THUMB DOWN
PULL SUSPECT AWAY FROM THE UPRIGHT OBJECT, RESTING THE SUSPECT’S WEIGHT ON THE PATROLMAN’S LEFT LEG
START SEARCH WITH THE RIGHT HAND, STARTING WITH THE SUSPECT’S HEAD WORKING DOWN SYSTEMATICALLY TO THE FOOT.

CHANGE OVER

PLACE SUSPECT BACK UP AGAINST THE UPRIGHT OBJECT WHILE MAINTAINING CONTROL OF THE HANDCUFFS
PATROLMAN REPOSITIONS FEET BY PLACING LEFT FOOT BACK TO SUSPECT’S LEFT ANKLE AND THE RIGHT FOOT UP TO THE SUSPECT’S RIGHT KNEE

LEFT SIDE

SUSPECT’S HANDS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PATROLMAN’S RIGHT LEG
PATROLMAN’S RIGHT HAND AT THE BASE OF THE SUSPECT’S NECK, THUMB DOWN
PULL SUSPECT AWAY FROM THE UPRIGHT OBJECT, RESTING THE SUSPECT’S WEIGHT ON THE PATROLMAN’S RIGHT LEG
START SEARCH WITH THE LEFT HAND, STARTING WITH THE SUSPECT’S HEAD WORKING DOWN SYSTEMATICALLY TO THE FOOT

REMOVING THE HANDCUFFS

SUSPECT ON KNEES
PATROLMAN MAINTAINS CONTROL OF THE HANDCUFFS
THE FIRST HANDCUFF IS REMOVED AND LOCKED IMMEDIATELY
THE SECOND HANDCUFF IS REMOVED AND THE PATROLMAN STEPS AWAY FROM THE SUSPECT THEN LOCKS THE HANDCUFF

 


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[Map of inner area of base. Poor copy.]

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THE RALLY AREA FOR OFF DUTY SECURITY PERSONNEL IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF BLDG #299 IN THE SQUARE IDENTIFIED WITH THE LETTER “D”
(Ref SPOI 355-1, para lb(3) )

 


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These labels appear on the diagram…

 

CANISTER            ANTENNA           PROBES (2 = 1 set)

                                     BATTERY PACK

                                      (ammo can)

ANTENNA CONNECTED TO J6

BATTERY CONNECTED TO J5

PROBES CONNECTED TO J1 & J2

                                       J4         J6

                                    SENSOR TRANSMITTER

                                       (name plate)

                                   J5    J1    J2     J3

                                      SENSOR CANISTER

                                        (TOP VIEW)

J1 - SENSOR

J2 - SENSOR 2

J3 - SENSOR (plugged)

J4 - INHIBIT

J5 - +12V INPUT

J6 - ANT-TX

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FIELD SENSOR GUIDE
THE FIELD SENSOR IMPLANTED THROUGHOUT THE RANGES ARE ELECTRONICAL SENSORS WHICH ARE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A VEHICLE ENTERING OR EXITING THE INSTALLATION BY OTHER THAN APPROVED/AUTHORIZED ENTRY POINTS.

A. CONSTRUCTION OF THE SENSOR: THE SENSOR SYSTEM INCORPORATES A CANISTER WHICH HOUSES THE ‘BRAIN’ OF THE SENSOR, TWO (2) PROBES FOR RECEIVING INBOUND/OUTBOUND SIGNALS, THE ANTENNA AND A BATTERY PACK FOR POWER.

B. OPERATION OF THE SENSOR: WHEN PROPERLY PLACED IN THE GROUND A VEHICLE PASSES THE FIRST PROBE INDICATING WHETHER LEAVING OR ENTERING THE AREA. THIS SIGNAL IS THEN SENT VIA THE ANTENNA TO (IN SOME CASES A REPEATER) THE SMS IN CSC WHICH DECIPHERS THE SIGNAL AND DISPLAYS IT ON THE COLOR MONITOR AND THE VT220 SCREEN.

NOTE #1: THE PROBES SHOULD BE BURIED/COVERED COMPLETELY WITH DIRT AND THE FLAT END FACING THE ROADWAY.

NOTE #2: THE ANTENNA IS NORMALLY MOUNTED TO THE CANISTER BUT IT CAN BE MOUNTED TO A STAKE FOR BETTER TRANSMITTING CAPABILITIES.

C. PATROL PROCEDURES: WHEN A PATROL IS DISPATCHED TO A SENSOR TO DISCONNECT IT DUE TO NUMEROUS ALARMS, THEY WILL DISCONNECT THE BATTERY SUPPLY FROM THE BATTERY. IF YOU DISCONNECT IT FROM THE CANISTER (J5+12V INPUT) INSURE YOU REPLACE THE PROTECTIVE CAP ON THE ‘J5′ CONNECTOR. DO NOT DISCONNECT ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS TOLD BY THE SENSOR SECTION PERSONNEL.

NOTE #1: IF A PROBE IS LAYING SIDEWAYS, REPOSITION IT SO THE FLAT SIDE IS FACING THE ROADWAY.

NOTE #2: IF ANY OF THE CABLES ARE CHEWED UP OR MANGLED, NOTIFY THE SENSOR SECTION PERSONNEL (IN PERSON, ANNOTATION ON THE ACTIVITY LOG OR LEAVE A NOTE).

D. IDENTIFYING THE SENSOR: CURRENTLY AS YOU APPROACH THE GENERAL AREA OF A SENSOR THERE SHOULD BE A STAKE PAINTED WITH ORANGE PAINT ON ONE SIDE. WITHIN 20 FEET OF THAT STAKE YOU SHOULD FIND THE SENSOR.

 


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BUILDING 269

Labels shown on diagram, from left to right…

AMBULANCE FIRE STATION | POLE | DOOR | BACK DOOR | DOOR | AIR CONDITION EQUIP | MAIN DOOR | FLAG POLE | CHOW HALL PARKING | DOOR | DOOR | POLE

Writing in lower left corner is indecipherable

 


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[Floor plan of Building 299.]

 


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BUILDING 299

Labels on each side of building, clockwise starting in front left…

DOOR

CORNER SMALL WINDOW | WINDOW | DOUBLE DOORS UPSTAIRS + DOWNSTAIRS MAIN ENTRANCE | WINDOW

WINDOW | DOOR | WINDOW | DOUBLE DOOR | DOUBLE DOOR | DOOR | UPPER DOOR DOUBLE LOWER DOOR SINGLE | DOUBLE DOOR | DOOR| WINDOWS | DOOR

DOOR UPSTAIRS | DOUBLE DOOR DOWNSTAIRS

 


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[Floor plan. Poor copy]

BLDG. 299 INTERIOR

THE INTERIOR OF THE OFFICES AND VAULT WILL HAVE CAMERA OBSERVATION CAPABILITIES

 


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STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE
MOVEMENT OF TEST ARTICLES
1. This Standard Operating Procedure is intended to describe instructions for the safe and secure transportation of the test articles by members of the USAFO Test Force. It is further intended to provide information to those site organizations involved in support of the USAFO (TEG).

2. The test articles are assembled in building 735, and then transported to either the munitions storage area, or directly to the Weapons Test Range (WTR) launch area.

3. The test articles will be transported on a missile pallet that is bolted to a pallet trailer. The articles will be towed behind a truck with a pindle hook hitch. This vehicle will be escorted by two (2) other vehicles in a convoy. The vehicles will consist of a security vehicle in the lead, with emergency flashers on, and one member of the USAFO Test Force aboard. The prime mover, towing the test articles, will be 50 meters behind the first vehicle and will be driven by a member of the USAFO Test Force. The last vehicle following the prime mover by 50 meters will be a security vehicle with emergency flashers on and one member of the USAFO Test Force aboard. This convoy will be used for the transportation of test articles to all destinations.

4. The speed of the convoy will be no more than 15mph on the main base area, and 30mph on the road to the WTR. The lead security vehicle will be responsible to insure that the convoy speed limits are adhered to.

5. The USAFO Security Manager and EOD will be notified at least two days prior to any test article movement, and is responsible to make the arrangements for security escorts. Security escorts will be arranged through the Base Security Officer.

6. Additionally, if movement is to the WTR, Base Security will be directed to close the 700 gate to incoming traffic until the convoy has reached its’ destination.

7. Base Safety Officer will normally monitor all convoys to insure that all safety guidelines are met that have been established.

8. Personnel assigned to the transportation of the test articles will notify Base Safety Officer, and Base Fire Company when the convoy is ready to depart the start point, and when the convoy has reached its destination.

9. If movement is to the WTR, the move will be scheduled to take place either before or after normal duty hours.

10. Point of contact for this SOP is the Operations Office, TEG, extension 3853.

[Signed]

GEORGE C. LEACH
LTC AV
Chief, Army Field Office

 


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VEHICLE PASSES
EXAMPLE #1: PERMANENT VEHICLE PASS: ISSUED TO CIVILIAN TYPE VEHICLES WHICH ARE GOVERNMENT OR CONTRACTOR OWNED. THE VEHICLE WILL HAVE A JUSTIFIED NEED TO OPERATE ON THE INSTALLATION BEFORE ISSUANCE.

EXAMPLE #2: TEMPORARY VEHICLE PASS: ISSUED TO POVS FOR A SHORT TIME/TEMPORARY BASIS. VALID ONLY FOR ONE HOUR.

EXAMPLE #3: FLIGHTLINE VEHICLE PASS: ISSUED TO GOVERNMENT AND/OR CONTRACTOR OWNED VEHICLES. AUTHORIZES THE VEHICLE TO OPERATE ON THE FLIGHTLINE. EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES ARE EXEMPT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THEIR DUTIES.

EXAMPLE #4: CONTRACT VEHICLE PASS: ISSUED TO CIVILIAN TYPE VEHICLES UTILIZED BY CONTRACTORS ON A SHORT TIME BASIS.

 


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[Examples #1 and #2: "Permanent Vehicle Pass" and "Temporary Vehicle Pass - One Hour."]

 


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[Examples #3 and #4: "Southend Flightline Vehicle Pass" and "Contract Vehicle Pass."]

 


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LAND WITHDRAWL/PUBLIC LAW 98-485
(1) ON 17 OCTOBER 1984, THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES ENACTED PUBLIC LAW 98-485. THIS ACT FORMALLY WITHDREW LANDS BEYOND THIS ENTRANCE FROM ALL FORMS OF APPROPRIATION UNDER PUBLIC LAND LAWS AND IT PERMITS THE SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE TO CLOSE THESE LANDS TO PUBLIC USE. THESE LANDS ARE CLOSED TO ACCESS BY THE PUBLIC FOR REASONS OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

(2) YOU ARE HEREBY WARNED THAT UNAUTHORIZED ENTRY ONTO THESE LANDS WILL SUBJECT YOU TO DETENTION AND POSSIBLE ARREST FOR VIOLATION OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. YOU ARE ALSO ADVISED THAT PHOTOGRAPHING OR SKETCHING THE LANDS BEYOND THIS AREA OR ANY ATTEMPT TO DO SO, WILL SUBJECT YOU TO PROSECUTION FOR VIOLATION OF SECTION 795 OF TITLE 18, UNITED STATES CODE.

(3) YOU SHOULD ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS LAW TO COLONEL CHARLES MYERS OR LTC JOHN JACOBS, USAF LLAISON TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, LAS VEGAS, NEVADA. THEIR PHONE NUMBER IS (702) 295-1147.

THIS LETTER AND THE ONE ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE, “INADVERTENT EXPOSURE FORM” SHOULD BE UTILIZED BY THE RANGE PATROLS WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER UNAUTHORIZED PERSONNEL (HUNTERS, MINERS, CAMPERS, etc.) WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE OUTLYING AREAS OF THIS INSTALLATION. TACT AND DIPLOMACY AS WELL AS OFFICER SURVIVABILITY MUST BE UPPER MOST IN THE MINDS OF THOSE PATROLS WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER SUCH PERSONNEL.

THE ENTIRE TEXT OF THE PUBLIC LAW AND THE AMENDMENT IS AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW IN THE SQUADRON LEARNING RESOURCE CENTER AND IN THE TRAINING OFFICE.

 


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OATH UPON INADVERTENT EXPOSURE TO CLASSIFIED
SECURITY DATA OR INFORMATION
I fully understand that my inadvertent exposure to classified security data or information relative to the United States subjects me to the provisions of Title 18, Sections 793-798 of the United States Code, inclusive, and, if I am subject to military jurisdictions, provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. I am aware that the punishment for certain of the above referenced statutes can be imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

I do therefore solemnly swear or affirm that I shall never divulge, publish, or release, either by word, conduct, or any other means, the content or substance of the classified security data or information of which I have become aware. Only written official notice of specific authorization will release me from this obligation.

I further understand that no change in my assignment, employment, residence, or citizenship will ever relieve me of my responsibilities under this oath, except as defined above.

 

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SIGNATURE OF WITNESS                DATE

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TITLE/ORGANIZATION                  NAME (PRINTED)/SSAN

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                                    SIGNATURE

                                    _____________________________

                                    TITLE/ORGANIZATION

PRIVACY ACT NOTICE

This form is affected by the Privacy Act of 1974. AUTHORITY 10 USC 8012; and EO 9397

PRINCIPAL PURPOSE: To record information on individuals who have inadvertently been exposed to classified security data or information relative to the United States Government.

ROUTINE USE: Affirms intent to safeguard information which could damage national security and to inform individuals of penalties under the Espionage Laws (Title 18, USC, Sections 793 through 798) and the UCMJ.

SSAN: Is necessary to verify identity of signator.

 


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JOB DESCRIPTION/CONTRACT SECURITY OFFICER
POSITION: SECURITY OFFICER

FUNCTIONS: SECURITY OFFICER WILL:

A. MAINTAIN THE CAPABILITY AND QUALIFICATIONS TO MAN EITHER A STATIC OR MOBILE SECURITY POST.

B. ESTABLISH THE VISIBILITY OF SECURITY AND PROVIDE PHYSICAL SECURITY FOR THE VARIOUS ASSESTS, UNDER GUIDELINES PROVIDED BY APPOINTED SUPERVISORS.

C. PROVIDE ANY ASSISTANCE THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO: MAINTENANCE OF A COMMUNICATIONS LINK BETWEEN SECURITY INCIDENTS AND SUPERVISION/CONTROL, CONTACT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND/OR PROVISION OF TRANSPORTATION AS THE NEED ARISES.

D. REPORT WITHOUT DELAY:
(1) ANY SECURITY VIOLATION THAT IS REPORTED/OBSERVED.
(2) ANY FIRE.
(3) ANY MEDICAL INCIDENT DEMANDING ATTENTION.
(4) ANY UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE DEMANDING ATTENTION.

E. PROVIDE THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION OF SHIFT FUNCTIONS AND INCIDENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CURRENT DIRECTIVES.

F. MAINTAIN AND PROPERLY WEAR FULL UNIFORM IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ONSITE PROGRAM OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS.

G. MAINTAIN QUALIFICATION WITH ALL WEAPONS ISSUED FOR SECURITY FORCE USE.

H. BE FIRST AID AND C.P.R. TRAINED.

 


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MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION
THE RED ROTATING BEACONS, OUTSIDE EACH SYSTEM, ARE ON WHEN THE SYSTEM IS RADIATING. BLUE BEACONS, INSTALLED ON SOME SYSTEMS INDICATE ENERGIZED SERVOS – STAY CLEAR OF THE ANTENNA. IF THE ANTENNA IS ROTATING OR POINTED AWAY FROM YOU, THE HAZARDOUS AREA NORMALLY EXTENDS ONLY ABOUT 10 METERS FROM THE SYSTEM. BUT IF THE ANTENNA IS STOPPED OR POINTED AT YOU, THE HAZARDOUS AREA CAN EXTEND AS FAR AS 500 METERS FROM THE SYSTEM. DO NOTAPPROACH THE SYSTEM. IF YOU MUST, CALL THE OPERATOR AND REQUEST THAT THE ANTENNA BE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION OR THE SYSTEM BE DEACTIVATED. RADIATION WARNING SIGNS ARE POSTED IN RF HAZARD AREAS.

THE EMERGENCY PHONE NUMBER TO THIS LOCATION IS : 384-9919.
THIS NUMBER TERMINATES AT CSC ONLY. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WILL BE ASKED OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS CALLING: THEIR NAME, WHO THEY ARE TRYING TO REACH, THE NATURE OF THE EMERGENCY, AND A PHONE NUMBER IN WHICH THIS PERSON CAN CALL. THIS PHONE NUMBER IS FOR LIFE THREATENING TYPE EMERGENCIES OR EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS. THIS LINE IS NOT TRANSFERABLE AND IS NOT TO BE UTILIZED AS A MESSAGE SERVICE.

IF YOU HAVE TO TRAVEL TO AND FROM THIS LOCATION BY OTHER THAN THE NORMAL MEANS, YOU WILL FIRST USE THE MAIN GATE EXIT. IF CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT ALLOW THIS ROUTE, THEN UTILIZATION OF THE BACK GATE WILL BE MADE. DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC AND ROAD CONDITIONS, YOU WILL ADD ABOUT 20-30 MINUTES TO THE OVERALL TRAVEL TIME.

THE NEVADA TEST SITE (NTS): FOR SECURITY REASONS IF A CONTRACTOR IS ASKED WHERE HE/SHE WORKS, THEY WILL ANSWER “E.G. & G. AT THE TEST SITE”. THEN DECLINE FROM GIVING DETAILS. FOR AIR FORCE PERSONNEL, THEY WORK AT PITTMAN STATION, HENDERSON.

NTS BADGES: THESE BADGES ARE ISSUED TO PERSONNEL WHO HAVE A NEED TO CROSS THE TEST SITE ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS. THE BADGE COLORED INSERTS ARE CHANGED EVERY QUARTER BY EITHER THE PAX PAD PERSONNEL OR AT THE BADGE OFFICE AT MERCURY. THESE INSERTS TRACK IF YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO ANY RADIATION.

NOTE: DO NOT LET THE NTS BADGE GO THRU THE X-RAY MACHINES.

ANY PROPERTY THAT CAN BE CONSTRUED AS GOVERNMENT OR GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A PROPERTY REMOVAL FORM PROPERLY FILLED OUT AND PRESENTED TO THE SECURITY OFFICER AT THE PAX PAD OR GATE, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE DEPARTING FROM. PERSONAL ITEMS SUCH AS STATUES, BOOKS OR WORK ASSOCIATED ITEMS LIKE HELMETS OR HELMET BAGS, ETC., ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A REMOVAL FORM.

WHEN TRANSMITTING OVER THE ADJUSTMENT NET LOCAL CALL SIGNS OR EXACTING DESCRIPTIONS SHOULD NOT BE TRANSMITTED DUE TO THE TRI- STATE TRANSMISSION CAPABILITY OF THE NET.

 

[DO NOT USE OVER THE AIR]

RACHEL,      HIGHWAY 375,   NTS,             GREENPEACE ROAD

 

[USE THESE INSTEAD]

NORTHTOWN,   HIGHWAY,       OVER THE HILL,   GP ROAD

 

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